JU87 w\37mm Cannon for Tank Busting

[Raphael]

one dive, six shots well put...
kaboom  

[Ruah]

shameless bump.

look them up on youtube. . .I on't know about the 37s we have ingame - but the towering pillars of water from when these planes attacked ships along the rivers and waterways of the russian outback are. . .amazing.

and its so easy. . .

[1Nicolas]

Ok lets talk tank busting and the JU-87Gs 3.7mm cannon And how it compares to the Soviet NS-37 cannon the IL-2 was armed with.

The German BK 3,7 cannon was belt fed so it had a relatively small ammo load out. I always thought the load out was 16 rounds per gun for an overall 32. Far less then the IL-2, which loads out at 50 per gun.

The NS-37 fired an 760 gram AP round made of hardened steel at 880 m/s, with a ROF of 250 rpm "500 rpm with 2 guns". It was rated to punch thru 50mm of any tanks armor at 200 m. Developing 294,000 joules of muzzle energy.

The BK 3,7 gun of the JU-87G fired a 405 gram tungsten core AP shell at 1,140 m/s with an ROF of 160 rpm "2 guns = 320 rpm", developing 263,000 joules of muzzle energy. I dont remember what this round was rated for penetration-wise but we can assume at least the same as the NS-37.

Strange that the Soviets used tungsten core for their ground anti-tank weapons but not for the NS-37. There were pro and con for the Germans using the smaller tungsten round at a higher velocity. While it would shoot flatter it wouldn't cause as much damage as the heavier 37mm rounds and tungsten was nothing special when it came to secondary burning, "unlike depleted uranium". On the Pro side the round surpassed the 250,000 joule limit of M/E widely believed to be the figure needed to penetrate any WW-ll tank.

So it shot a smaller tungsten round with a faster velocity, at a much slower ROF, a smaller load out. I would bet the JU-87 would be a fine stable platform and this would be an efficient tank killer in the game, as it was in actual use.

The Luftwaffe was very careful in awarding kills to their pilots. I believe Rudel killed all those tanks and think the "G" would be a fine addition to AH.

3,7cm! not mm

[Fish42]

We need this incase of NyanCat attacks!
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9190-Critical-Miss-Die-Nyankatze

oh and killing GVs 

[bangsbox]

We need this...why; why not. we could have Germans represented with a tank killing airplane gun. US has 75mm Brits 40mn and russians 37mm.

[Megalodon]

There is no need to make a separate Stuka model, which is what the G2 would need (G2 was based on the Ju87D-5).  To get the G-1, just add the ordnance option of the 37mm cannon for the existing D-3 and that would convert it to the G-1, which is based on the Ju-87 we currently have in game.  Far less trouble than creating a new plane model.

ack-ack

 This sounds great and would be a quick way to get the gun package As it is the skinners wont work on it as it needs to be updated to AH2 standards.

The D-5 carried 20mm's a non enimic gun pakage.

Ii would be nice to have 2 Stuka's D-3 <bombing version> and D-5 w/20mm's <attack version> w/the G2 option <tank killer> in the hanger.

If they are going to update the Ju87, make the new model then.

[Krusty]

We need this...why; why not. we could have Germans represented with a tank killing airplane gun. US has 75mm Brits 40mn and russians 37mm.

You don't have to have one for every country. That's a false notion. If it was important, I agree we need it. But just because they don't have one? Germany also didn't have heavy bombers like the B-17 or 1200-mi escort fighters for their bombers.

The 75mm on a B-25H isn't an anti-tank gun. It was anti-shipping, and is loaded with HE. I even fired a round 300 yards into the engine compartment of a Sherman and didn't even smoke him. Just plinked, flew over him and never did any damage. I have got 1 or 2 lucky kills on panzr or wirb chassis, but I've wasted more rounds than I have received kills.


As for the 87G? In WB it was a little underwhelming... I don't see it being a super canopener here, but lately I've been thinking it would be nice.

[Ack-Ack]

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The 75mm on a B-25H isn't an anti-tank gun. It was anti-shipping, and is loaded with HE. I even fired a round 300 yards into the engine compartment of a Sherman and didn't even smoke him. Just plinked, flew over him and never did any damage. I have got 1 or 2 lucky kills on panzr or wirb chassis, but I've wasted more rounds than I have received kills.

You must have hit the left side of the M4 when the bug was still present.  If you hit the engine compartment or either of the flanks or top of the turret of the M4 with the 75mm on the B-25H, you have a dead Sherman.  Same with any of the other tanks in this game.  Hit the top of the turret and the tank goes BOOM! with the 75mm cannon.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

This was before the 75mm, this was the Firefly. It was dead on aft, almost as 90 degrees as you can get (I was honestly afraid of crashing before i got the shot). Fired, saw the hit, pulled up and flew over his head. He probably crapped a brick, but other than that, no damage.

[DEECONX]

Friendly neighborhood bump!   

[Raphael]

Achievment Unlocked!

[DrBone1]

3 Years later.     

[ozrocker]

A variant that has been on Wishlist forever, finally coming to game



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[VonMessa]

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