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Offline Simba

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Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« on: November 18, 2009, 11:37:13 AM »
As a nautic just old enough to remember the last flight by a Royal Air Force flying boat (Sunderland MR.5, Singapore, 1958), might it be possible to enable flying boats and floatplanes to land and take off from AH2's lovely new water? If so, can I have the Sunderland Mk.V, PBY-5A Catalina, Supermarine Walrus and a SOC-3 Seagull to play with? And a catapult from which to launch the 'Shagbat', please.

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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 11:51:24 AM »
They'd be fighter bait and wouldn't be used much - unless they could have several special uses like SAR, strategic recce, weather recce, sub-hunting, etc.
Nice idea though.

Do a search, this idea has been discussed in detail some time back.
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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 04:11:38 PM »
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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 04:53:50 PM »
I think they might work if they act like mobile radar stations... It'd give defenders a reason to keep em alive, and they'd definitely be a target to take out.  Maybe it'd only work a certain distance from airbases...  or maybe it'd light up enemy CVs on the map!   :O :D

You could make sea-borne aircraft do all sorts of stuff...  resupply fleets or PT boats, drop troops for ports, sub-hunting (eventually)... maybe even rescue downed pilots to reclaim a certain percentage of their lost perk points. :)

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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 05:05:43 PM »
Absolutely, and don't forget Mavis, Emily and Rufe while your at it!


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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 05:42:10 PM »
I think they would add something to the game. Namely Port Defense. This would keep them from being Hangar Queens

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 09:31:02 PM »
Good ideas, Guynoir, you can indeed 'make sea-borne aircraft do all sorts of stuff'. 'Resupplying' Task Groups could be a very useful mission type. Fresh 8" shells, sir?

Or, better still . . .

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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 10:51:38 PM »
It would give the Nits and the Bish something to hunt the secret Rook submarines with....Uhoh did I say too much..
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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 09:42:16 AM »
This's kinda crazy, but how about commandos (with dinghies) to go in and take out certain base or town facilities (ack, radar, ord, troops, fuel, SHORE BATTS??)   :rock

These planes might never have 'resupplied' task forces or whatever in real life, but I think HTC could approximate that kinda stuff to get some good gameplay out of it.  Just think about some of the things we do now like dropping ammo out in the field for tanks or dropping exactly 10 troops on a flattened town to take an airfield ...we're already playing with gameplay devices anyway. 

I think things like these seaplane ideas add more of the rock-paper-scissors balanced gameplay that makes for a good game in general and gives people fun stuff to do even if they aren't the red baron incarnate.  :)

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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 10:26:34 AM »
Hmmm.... not a bad idea having them available to launch from ports.  But it wouldn't take much to down them in a full blown port assault if fighters are present.  Still not a bad idea. 

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 10:33:14 AM »
lighting up enemy CVs on the map would be an aweome idea. Like strats, could these planes have their own invisible "dar circle" and when they fly close enough to a CV it pops up on the map?

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 10:40:05 AM »
lighting up enemy CVs on the map would be an aweome idea. Like strats, could these planes have their own invisible "dar circle" and when they fly close enough to a CV it pops up on the map?



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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 11:07:01 AM »
Cool idea and long wished for but...... (always a but...)

Couldn;t use them as resupply or base capture. What would keep "gamers"
from using them as 100+ mph water-skimming "craft" to resupply bases or
put drunks ashore to capture them? They'd be a lot faster than M3s or landing
craft and unlike C47s they can stay REAL low and off the radar without fear of
"crashing" into the ocean for touching it.

 IMO no one will use it to rescue pilots (unless major perks are awarded) and
the current MA fantasy-land setup with the awacs radar and bar indicators
they're not needed for scouting at all.

 The whole gameplay dynamics of the MA would have to be tossed out the
window and something more realistic would have to be in place for them to
be used and enjoyed.  Fun for scenarios though!
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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 12:15:44 PM »
What would keep "gamers"
from using them as 100+ mph water-skimming "craft" to resupply bases or
put drunks ashore to capture them? They'd be a lot faster than M3s or landing
craft and unlike C47s they can stay REAL low and off the radar without fear of
"crashing" into the ocean for touching it.

Eh... with the F3 key, C47s can get VERY low, and sea-planes usually can't hit the water without going slow enough to land.  Over the years, there have been many many catastrophic crashes of Catalinas and others from touching the water slightly too fast and buckling gears doors and other parts.  C47s are also faster than Catalinas, and the Cats wouldn't spawn from CVs, so they'd have to fly just as far.  Finally, C47s already land near enemy bases for a stealthy capture anyway, so it's about the same thing as seaboats landing on water and waiting for everything to go down...

Quote from: Westy
and the current MA fantasy-land setup with the awacs radar and bar indicators
they're not needed for scouting at all.

Once, a base's radar goes down, defenders are pretty blind regardless of what the darbar's showing...  Having a seaplane show all of the actual dots within its range would probably be pretty helpful in a support role.  As for fleets, plenty of people ask constantly for CV positions and can be oblivious otherwise, so a Cat would be able to direct friendly fleet fire (from the map dot), and attacking planes would know which direction to head...  It'd add a cat-and-mouse game of AWACS vs hunters.

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Re: Water we can land and take off from - and aircraft to match.
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 12:43:00 PM »
They'd be fighter bait and wouldn't be used much - unless they could have several special uses like SAR, strategic recce, weather recce, sub-hunting, etc.
Nice idea though.

Do a search, this idea has been discussed in detail some time back.
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