please explain

[justIN]

I have read all about what planes can do and what they cant,I have read what there best at and what there not at,I have read how fast and slow they go and how fast climb rate is
But I feel that the plane comparison page is wrong?So many times I scratch my head at confushion,for one instince I flew a 190D and dropped down on a spit and missed got about 1.5 and noticed he was gaining on me wow he got me how is that?then I was in a hellcat dropped down on two spit 16 on the deck got one the other followed me up and got me after I had a 1.0 climb headstart.
I no Im not the only one scratching there head on some stuff/

[Buzzard7]

Lets see where to start. Hellcat weighs 12,000 lbs. and a Spit 16 weighs in at 7500 lbs. give or take. It's all about energy management. If you went into that climb at less than 350 your energy will bleed down quick and the Spit will climb right up your six.
There are tons of factors that effect the fight that you will not be able to read about. Numbers on paper don't give you the whole story.

[oakranger]

You will learn a lot about the game and how there are moves that some AC can do that is physically impossible to do in real life.  and there are moves that can be done in real life that you can not do in the game.  Case example, spits in the game that break will have this crazy out of control spinning all around in circals then they dive away.  If they do that in real life that spit with be tore apart.  I seen B-24 in the game do barrow rolls that i never hear it do in real life.  Nor do i think it can never be done. 

[Noir]

You will learn a lot about the game and how there are moves that some AC can do that is physically impossible to do in real life.  and there are moves that can be done in real life that you can not do in the game.  Case example, spits in the game that break will have this crazy out of control spinning all around in circals then they dive away.  If they do that in real life that spit with be tore apart.  I seen B-24 in the game do barrow rolls that i never hear it do in real life.  Nor do i think it can never be done. 

I fail to see how that is related to the OP's question.

justIN you should record your sorties and analyse them, I think your problem lies in trajectories, a spit may be slower at max speed but if he takes the shorter path he'll get there before the 190D9. The guy following always has an advantage on trajectory as he can anticipate and cut its target trajectory. Also the spit is slower on max speed, but got tremendous acceleration and climb rate, its always hard to outrun.

hope that helped 

[shiv]

I have read all about what planes can do and what they cant,I have read what there best at and what there not at,I have read how fast and slow they go and how fast climb rate is
But I feel that the plane comparison page is wrong?So many times I scratch my head at confushion,for one instince I flew a 190D and dropped down on a spit and missed got about 1.5 and noticed he was gaining on me wow he got me how is that?then I was in a hellcat dropped down on two spit 16 on the deck got one the other followed me up and got me after I had a 1.0 climb headstart.
I no Im not the only one scratching there head on some stuff/

What you're missing is that no-one in a given situation is starting from a dead stop - each plane is carrying E in the form of speed.  So if you see a Spit16 below you it may actually be going 450 because it just dove before you saw it, and you may be in trouble.  Film your sorties and then watch the speeds in the films.  All will be revealed.

[BaldEagl]

In the 190, aside from what everyone else has mentioned, you probably needed to lower the climb rate to maintain speed.  In a max climb the Spit will shortly gobble you up.  In a shallower climb you'd be able to out-run him.

Similar in the F6F.  If you're trying to get away from Spits in a max climb then good luck.  We'll see you posting here often.  The fact is in the F6f, unless you have a big E advantage, you won't get away no matter what you do.  Even if you do if they are determined they will catch you.  Once you commit to that fight you're committed to take them both out or die trying.

[Kweassa]

 It's not the spec of the given plane that is the problem, justIN.

 It's the concept of ENERGY you are missing out.


 It's pretty much impossible to explain it in just one or two discussions, so I'll just say two things:


(1) Understanding the concept of relative E(nergy) differences between the planes, is the door to becoming a successful combat pilot in AH.

(2) Every newcomer has problems understanding this concept, and the lack of understanding often leads them to mistakenly assume that the game is wrong.

     Here's a tip - it isn't.



 Since we have no film to analyze the circumstances of what you've experienced, all we can offer you is some likely scenarios.

 For instance;

(1) there could have been problems in the way you've maneuvered - making E-draining, unnecssary movements.
(2) during the "Boom" ('drop down') sequence of your attack, you may have misjudged how fast the enemy plane was already moving
(3) during the "Zoom" ('climb up') sequence of your attack, you may have pulled out too hard, burning a lot of E
(4) the enemy planes could have drawn you into a planned overshoot, and then may have moved into a position that "cuts a lot of corners", thus temporarily gaining distance

.. and etc etc etc..


Now, you may take a look at these scenarios and think "No, I didn't do that" - but trust me. Memory is fallible, and self-serving. A lot of times people say one thing, and then when we take a look at the film, they're just plain wrong. This is why filming your sorties helps.


 

[5PointOh]

I agree with Kweassa,  watch your films look at you speeds and the enemy speeds, and watch them though the entire encounter.  Click the "trails" box on the film view to see the courses traveled by all of the planes. This will help you understand what you did right and what you did wrong. Go to this site http://www.netaces.org/ , there are some great articles on energy management. I hope it helps.

[Spikes]

Alt R is your friend, hit it, save the film, and review it yourself/post it up here.

[ACE]

Alt R is your friend, hit it, save the film, and review it yourself/post it up here.

Exactly

[MrRiplEy[H]]

What you're missing is that no-one in a given situation is starting from a dead stop - each plane is carrying E in the form of speed.  So if you see a Spit16 below you it may actually be going 450 because it just dove before you saw it, and you may be in trouble.  Film your sorties and then watch the speeds in the films.  All will be revealed.

Except if it too was going 450 the dora obviously would not pass him too quickly and/or overshoot.

[Shuffler]

Knowing the plane is one thing. There are more forgiving planes and those that take more effort. The pilot can make a huge difference. One that knows his plane well can use that as a great advantage.

[TEShaw]

I have read all about what planes can do and what they cant,I have read what there best at and what there not at,I have read how fast and slow they go and how fast climb rate is
But I feel that the plane comparison page is wrong?So many times I scratch my head at confushion,for one instince I flew a 190D and dropped down on a spit and missed got about 1.5 and noticed he was gaining on me wow he got me how is that?then I was in a hellcat dropped down on two spit 16 on the deck got one the other followed me up and got me after I had a 1.0 climb headstart.
I no Im not the only one scratching there head on some stuff/

Six lines of gibberish and four misused punctuation marks.

I hold this up and present it to you as my nomination for "Idiot Junk of the Year."

[TEShaw]

OK, my bad.

That should read as: "IDIOTIC Junk of the Year."

[E25280]

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