Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Chalenge]

Even if the planet was nuked it would survive and life would return... one day.

[Anaxogoras]

Earth will survive.

Now I feel better!

[wrag]

they're not fossil fuels.

http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/wsj4.htm
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645

Did everyone ignore this?  This is part 2 of my input to this thread.......

"Should have seen the cloud of stuff comin out!  And the speed it was goin was FAST!  (reference to a Discovery Channel episode showing a dark cloud of stuff spewing into the ocean from an undersea chimenyTHAT THEY GOT A SAMPLE OF AND DISCOVERED WAS CRUDE OIL THAT WAS FORMING FROM SMALL MICROBES AS THEY DIED!)

IIRC back in the mid seventies I recall a guy telling me that ALL the U.S. oil wells had refilled.  Said oil and natural gas came from a small microbe/bacteria that lived in the soil under extreme heat and pressure and it died when exposed to oxygen or the pressure got too low or the temp got too low.  And that when it died it became a sludge like substance we call crude oil.

AND it tended to flow into pockets, usually the same pockets, and filled or refilled them.

Wondered about it for years and after seein the stuff comin out of that underwater chimney I tend to believe what he told me.

Another little point you might want to think on is not too long back there was a report in the news about some scientist types discovering a small microbe that MIGHT produce oil, IF it was genetically enhanced, but they were going to have to research it.

Interesting info.  Wish I had saved the article!"

[Chalenge]

I always wondered how dinosaur guts got down so many miles into the Earth. 

[wrag]

And what's the bet that science will suddenly discover HOW to create oil?

We may be facing one of the BIGGEST fraud cover ups the world has ever seen!

The money involved here is astronomical in scope!

[bj229r]

Even if the planet was nuked it would survive and life would return... one day.

Or...stated another way...We are a pimple on the Earth's ass

[CAP1]

I always wondered how dinosaur guts got down so many miles into the Earth. 

they used diamond tipped low speed drills?

[CAP1]

Did everyone ignore this?  This is part 2 of my input to this thread.......

"Should have seen the cloud of stuff comin out!  And the speed it was goin was FAST!  (reference to a Discovery Channel episode showing a dark cloud of stuff spewing into the ocean from an undersea chimenyTHAT THEY GOT A SAMPLE OF AND DISCOVERED WAS CRUDE OIL THAT WAS FORMING FROM SMALL MICROBES AS THEY DIED!)

IIRC back in the mid seventies I recall a guy telling me that ALL the U.S. oil wells had refilled.  Said oil and natural gas came from a small microbe/bacteria that lived in the soil under extreme heat and pressure and it died when exposed to oxygen or the pressure got too low or the temp got too low.  And that when it died it became a sludge like substance we call crude oil.

AND it tended to flow into pockets, usually the same pockets, and filled or refilled them.

Wondered about it for years and after seein the stuff comin out of that underwater chimney I tend to believe what he told me.

Another little point you might want to think on is not too long back there was a report in the news about some scientist types discovering a small microbe that MIGHT produce oil, IF it was genetically enhanced, but they were going to have to research it.

Interesting info.  Wish I had saved the article!"

the sites i linked earlier, i had found after talking to two friends of mine. one is air force intelligence.,..the other army. 
 they had both mentioned of some wells in texas that had been looooooong dried up....the owners fired up the pumps, and found there was a LOT of oil in em.

[CAP1]

Or...stated another way...We are a pimple on the Earth's ass

i think i kinda said that.....either here or over at fw........

[MORAY37]

Moray I have to ask how much you know about the marine environment? You have studied it for how long? You do realize that the marine environment has changed over the millenia? It has to be time for the next change in the environment and maybe that means man is doomed and maybe not but I know one thing... Earth will survive.

The oceans have been the most unchanged biota on the planet.  This is why many of its' inhabitants cannot handle shifts in pH, they've evolved without a need to.

[Chalenge]

Moray are you claiming that this very same shift has never happened before? 

[shiv]

the fact is that the earth cycles. it will cycle with humans living on it, and it will cycle long after humans are gone.
 for anyone to think that the human race(a speck of dust in the grand scheme of things) can actually affect mother earth in normal day to day living is pretty much asinine.
 when the earth has had enough, we'll disappear.........

You're not giving us enough credit. Fifty years of man made chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)  have a caused a noticeable and measurable effect on the ozone layer in the stratosphere. There was enough consensus on this that CFCs were more or less banned in 1979.  (One-world government did not immediately follow.)

To deny that a large industrial society will have any effect at all on the environment seems disingenuous at best and well, asinine at worst.  

As to the issue of these particular scientists cooking the books on global warming I don't doubt it l but I do think perhaps their aims and motivations have been overstated.  These guys were basically in the global warming industry - they worked at the University of East Anglia's "Hadley Climate Research Unit".  It was in their self-interest for there to be a global warming crisis.  They weren't taking orders from Al Gore and some mysterious organization dedicated to the "new world order" - they just wanted to get paid.

[Chalenge]

Thats the point shiv (about everyone on the one side of the debate) meaning they want the money and they are perpetrating a hoax to get it.

On the subject of chlorofluorocarbons... explain again please how a complex and heavy carbon compound can get into the stratosphere? I understand the lower atmosphere is turbulent and things get shaken up a bit and the atmosphere near the ground gets a nice mix but up top there isnt much of that going on. I believe that in order for ozone to even exist in the stratosphere it must actually be created there because its mass is high enough it should sink down at some point which would be a BAD thing since it will be extremely harmful to us humans. However breaking ozone up actually makes more oxygen as I understand it.

CFCs good. Ozone bad! 

[CAP1]

You're not giving us enough credit. Fifty years of man made chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)  have a caused a noticeable and measurable effect on the ozone layer in the stratosphere. There was enough consensus on this that CFCs were more or less banned in 1979.  (One-world government did not immediately follow.)

To deny that a large industrial society will have any effect at all on the environment seems disingenuous at best and well, asinine at worst.  

As to the issue of these particular scientists cooking the books on global warming I don't doubt it l but I do think perhaps their aims and motivations have been overstated.  These guys were basically in the global warming industry - they worked at the University of East Anglia's "Hadley Climate Research Unit".  It was in their self-interest for there to be a global warming crisis.  They weren't taking orders from Al Gore and some mysterious organization dedicated to the "new world order" - they just wanted to get paid.

pour a cold glass of water, and watch what it does on a sweltering hot day. it releases some of its cold, and absorbs some heat.

 would it not also make sense that the atmosphere does the same thing?

 so......it "leaks" out? to a point?

 and who gave us the data on the chloroflourocarbons? it wouldn't be those very same scientists, would it? or their predecessors?

 i'm not saying we don't affect the planet. i'm saying that we don't affect the planet to nearly the point that these "scientists" would scare us into believing.

[33Vortex]

The climate police is already being set up, they will serve not the US Federal Govt but under a global entity which will effectively be a global government. In NYC they are already doing inspections albeit on a small scale so far. The climate police will be able to shut down your entire life if you are discovered to emit too much COČ into the atmosphere. A tax on COČ is a tax on all animal life on the planet, thus ultimately giving this global government control over all animal life we know of.