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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #135 on: November 28, 2009, 12:20:58 AM »
You know? I just skimmed through this thread, and I think George Carlin (rest in peace) is spot on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
so THAT:S the meaning of life!!!! the earth wanted plastic all for itdself, and neeed us for it
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #136 on: November 28, 2009, 01:50:47 AM »
Well yea.Were all dead meat in 2012 anyway,so hes gonna do nothing for now :banana:


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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #137 on: November 28, 2009, 02:38:15 PM »
hmm thats annoying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekwUj82wG0

I believe this may be the show RTHolmes posted.This is part 3 on Youtube and they are hitting on climate change.The other parts are there to watch as well.

Why have debates based on facts when you can simplify it and just use very emotional "labels".
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Bush...you were againts the troops
Obama...your a racist
Global Warming... your a denier "I am sure they will work on makeing that even worse"

For heavens sake someone push the button!
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #138 on: November 28, 2009, 07:04:38 PM »
well done, thats the clip :aok
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #139 on: November 28, 2009, 10:57:51 PM »
Read the description of  the clip posted by that individual. The description itself is intended to squelch any opposing viewpoint and is without merit.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #140 on: November 29, 2009, 02:04:04 AM »
I think you can assume a big </sarcasm> tag at the end of that desc
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #141 on: November 29, 2009, 02:41:00 AM »
You guys are all really jumping the gun on this.  Using data that was hacked and then cherry picked by people with an agenda is not the most reliable way to go about things.  The scientists in question have said that only partial transcripts were released picked to make their debates over data look like they were faking stuff.

I know people love to embrace things that affirm their world views, but that isn't a healthy way to evaluate data.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #142 on: November 29, 2009, 03:17:46 AM »
I would call the opinion that global warming is man-made... pompous... arrogant... vainglorious... ostentatious... unrealistic.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #143 on: November 29, 2009, 05:07:37 AM »
Well the 'concensus' (nice word, the AGW 'scientists' like it) is that it was a whistleblower inside the CRU and not a hacker that released the emails.

What seems to be evident from them

a) Manipulation/falsification of data to fit their models.
b) Coding that I think HT and co would balk at.
c) Totally skewed peer review, i.e. only reviewed by people who already agree in the premise. They even mention redifining the peer review process so they can keep out dissenting points of view!
d) Shutting out of scientists who are sceptical.
e) Manipulation/intimidation of scientific bodies.
f) Hiding behind data protection laws, when this fails the destruction of the data to avoid FOIA requests. (One response to a FOIA request was 'his dog ate it'! Never worked for me at school :-( )
g) Manipulation of the media.

In the UK the BBC hasn't done a news story on the contents of the Climategate emails, merely mentioned the 'hack'/leak. I watched Question Time last week and was surprised when the subject was alluded to by one of the questioners. However the 'debate' that followed wasn't about Climategate it was just the usual 'official line' by all the panellists apart from one. Even David Dimbleby never brought up Climategate, so it seems as though he was also toeing the 'party' line.

Here is the UK Met Office prediction for our Winter - There is a 50% chance it will be a warmer one.
So I guess also a 50% chance it will be a colder one! Talk about covering your bases.
So these guys can't event predict 2-3 months in advance, yet they can predict years, decades in advance. Give me a break.

There has been enough doubt cast on the voracity of the main scientists involved, the data, and the models that it is high time for a complete unbiased, independent review of all their work.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #144 on: November 29, 2009, 06:00:10 AM »
Winter Predictions:

Some parts of the world will see warmer temperatures than normal. These areas will be spotlighted.

Some parts of the world will see record cold temperatures. These areas will be ignored.

Also I want to point out that if you go to the ice cap in summer guess what? The ice is melting. Go back in winter and have another look.  :aok
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #145 on: November 29, 2009, 08:36:02 AM »
You guys are all really jumping the gun on this.  Using data that was hacked and then cherry picked by people with an agenda is not the most reliable way to go about things.  The scientists in question have said that only partial transcripts were released picked to make their debates over data look like they were faking stuff.

I know people love to embrace things that affirm their world views, but that isn't a healthy way to evaluate data.

Karnak, did you read the emails, at least the bulk of them? They clearly indicate a determined effort to skew the data that since 1999 indicate a leveling of and then the rapid falling of global temperatures. They cherry-picked data to show that 2009 was going to be the warmest year in recorded history, yet the truth was it was the coldest year in decades.

You wrote: "I know people love to embrace things that affirm their world views, but that isn't a healthy way to evaluate data."

This is exactly what the AGW cultists have been doing for the past 15 years.


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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #146 on: November 29, 2009, 09:38:26 AM »
You guys are all really jumping the gun on this.  Using data that was hacked and then cherry picked by people with an agenda is not the most reliable way to go about things.  The scientists in question have said that only partial transcripts were released picked to make their debates over data look like they were faking stuff.

I know people love to embrace things that affirm their world views, but that isn't a healthy way to evaluate data.

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #147 on: November 29, 2009, 11:32:00 AM »
Latest report over here in the UK.

ALL the original data upon which the modified/massaged figures were based on.......

GONE!

Digital and hardcopy were allegedly destroyed during a building move.

Who in their right mind doesn't keep the original data to refer back to? Leaves you wide open to accusations of data manipulation.
More likely it was destroyed when the story broke, as was advocated in one of the emails.

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #148 on: November 29, 2009, 11:44:32 AM »
Winter Predictions:

Some parts of the world will see warmer temperatures than normal. These areas will be spotlighted.

Some parts of the world will see record cold temperatures. These areas will be ignored.

Also I want to point out that if you go to the ice cap in summer guess what? The ice is melting. Go back in winter and have another look.  :aok

was talkin to mom about this the other day. her reaction?

"yea, that's why the ice caps are melting."

 now...since it was mom, i hadda stay nice. had to try to get the point through to her that while they're melting at point"A", they're re-forming at point "B". tried to explain to her, that those who wish us to panic about this simply highlight tha parts convenient to them. namely the parts that're going through their normal cycle, and melting.

 BTW, if i recall correctly from reading, as recently as 1969, the lost squadron(the p-38's and b-17's) that landed in greenland in 1944(?), were still visible on the surface.
 in 1989, they were under 250 feet of ice.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #149 on: November 29, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »
You guys are all really jumping the gun on this.  Using data that was hacked and then cherry picked by people with an agenda is not the most reliable way to go about things.  The scientists in question have said that only partial transcripts were released picked to make their debates over data look like they were faking stuff.

I know people love to embrace things that affirm their world views, but that isn't a healthy way to evaluate data.

and the "scientists"  :rolleyes: in question don't have an agenda?
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