Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[spammer]

Beware of Prophet's out for Profits. It's not about the money, right.

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[mtnman]

I love how the final denier defense always resides in the most abject cynicism.

Are you saying I'm a denier?  I wouldn't go that far.  I plain just don't know. 

I get most of my knowledge of the modern world through outlets that I cannot verify for accuracy.  They may show me something on the news, and I guess I could just take their word for it.  Then again, in several instances I've seen articles/topics covered in the media that I know were inaccurate, or covered/presented inaccurately.  I'm not going to head up and look at the ice anytime soon.  And if I did, I don't have any first-hand knowledge of how it differs from the past.  I rely on others to help me there.  Are they telling me the truth?  Are they lying for personal or political gain?  How do I know?

Is the globe really warming?  I would tend to say yes, based on what I've heard and seen first-hand. 

Is it due to man?  Maybe.  Again, I don't know.  I would tend to think that we're helping push the world to a bad place, but that's just me.  I don't have any proof, or way to come up with that proof.  For sure, some want me to believe it's our fault.  Some don't want me to believe that.  Who's the most informed and honest?

Apparently I should question the "data" that's been presented as "fact", and pushed by the world's leaders.  I don't have a high level of trust in our leaders anyway; this doesn't help.  I guess I could just blindly do what they tell me to do, and believe what they tell me to believe.  That would certainly make them happy; they can pass their agendas and make some cash.

[sluggish]

Just imagine the famine and suffering that will occur once this beneficial and pleasant warming trend is over...

[Angus]

Imagine the glorious times we had at the hot times of the Dino's 

[Mace2004]

Just imagine the famine and suffering that will occur once this beneficial and pleasant warming trend is over...

LOL.  Sure lots and lots I suppose, if you believe Hollywood and Al Gore...on the other hand, civilization has always flourished during warm periods.  The Mediterranean became the center of Western civilization and the Roman empire arose during warming periods.  The decline of global temperatures preceeded the migration of Germanic tribes to the south which contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages.  The Medieval warming period saw the end of the Dark Ages and rise of Western civilization. The Little Ice Age almost undid things again as ice advanced, warm northern European summers ended and famines erupted.  The Thames froze over and the Swedes were able to invade Copenhagen by simply marching across the ice.  Of course for Americans that happen to know history (an abysmally small group now it seems) the Little Ice Age almost destroyed Washington's army at Valley Forge.  Seems to me that warm is better for us than cold.

[sluggish]

LOL.  Sure lots and lots I suppose, if you believe Hollywood and Al Gore...on the other hand, civilization has always flourished during warm periods.  The Mediterranean became the center of Western civilization and the Roman empire arose during warming periods.  The decline of global temperatures preceeded the migration of Germanic tribes to the south which contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages.  The Medieval warming period saw the end of the Dark Ages and rise of Western civilization. The Little Ice Age almost undid things again as ice advanced, warm northern European summers ended and famines erupted.  The Thames froze over and the Swedes were able to invade Copenhagen by simply marching across the ice.  Of course for Americans that happen to know history (an abysmally small group now it seems) the Little Ice Age almost destroyed Washington's army at Valley Forge.  Seems to me that warm is better for us than cold.

Umm.... Yeah... That's  excactly what my post was implying...  Either I'm reading your post wrong or you read mine wrong.

When you think about it... Global warming alarmists must be FOR famine and the breakdown of society on a global and apocaliptic scale to wish to stop this current pleasant and beneficial warming trend.

Your point about the Swedes invading Copenhagen is quite ironic since the global warming alarmists will soon invade it agin...

[Angus]

LOL.  Sure lots and lots I suppose, if you believe Hollywood and Al Gore...on the other hand, civilization has always flourished during warm periods.  The Mediterranean became the center of Western civilization and the Roman empire arose during warming periods.  The decline of global temperatures preceeded the migration of Germanic tribes to the south which contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages.  The Medieval warming period saw the end of the Dark Ages and rise of Western civilization. The Little Ice Age almost undid things again as ice advanced, warm northern European summers ended and famines erupted.  The Thames froze over and the Swedes were able to invade Copenhagen by simply marching across the ice.  Of course for Americans that happen to know history (an abysmally small group now it seems) the Little Ice Age almost destroyed Washington's army at Valley Forge.  Seems to me that warm is better for us than cold.

And in the very hot times of the planet, there were humanoids indeed, but no civilization. After all, we only have the odd 10000 years of it, - after the last ice age. There is actually a living tree about as old as civilization.....

[33Vortex]

The thing is that these imposters will enforce upon us this CO² tax, and then claim to have saved us because there was no global warming.  

The 20th century saw people dying by the millions in famine, various wars and even outright slaughter of whole ethnic groups, political groups or the entire population of countries. What we have before us in this century, is not the death of millions... but billions of people. Rest assured that those in power will see to it that it happens even if we haven't managed to screw things up for us bad enough already. Population control in the most extreme meaning of the word is what it's all about. Have you guys heard of the VeriChip? They are trying to market it as the swine flu issue is blown out of proportion in the media. There's a version of it that can detect if you have been infected by a virus, when, and what type of virus.

[CAP1]

The thing is that these imposters will enforce upon us this CO² tax, and then claim to have saved us because there was no global warming.  

The 20th century saw people dying by the millions in famine, various wars and even outright slaughter of whole ethnic groups, political groups or the entire population of countries. What we have before us in this century, is not the death of millions... but billions of people. Rest assured that those in power will see to it that it happens even if we haven't managed to screw things up for us bad enough already. Population control in the most extreme meaning of the word is what it's all about. Have you guys heard of the VeriChip? They are trying to market it as the swine flu issue is blown out of proportion in the media. There's a version of it that can detect if you have been infected by a virus, when, and what type of virus.

wow....i thought i was the only one that saw this...................

wonder how they'll collect taxes from the geese in the lake out back? hell.....on a related note, i wonder what goose(canadian) tastes like?

[Angus]

The Swine flu, despite the measures taken, has now about the same amount of victims in the USA as the IRAQ war since 2003. I wonder which one had more media cover. Or money in it....
As for the CO2 tax, I think it's a load of crap as it i being played with.

[33Vortex]

There are several competing forces at play here. The GW group who are all set up to profit on the measures taken to "save the planet", and the war mongerers who profit on the war on terror. It's the perfect conflict, one that can never be won, never be ended and it allow them to write new legislations that give them more power and more insight into people's lives than ever before. The top tier banks of course have their hands in all of this, but it's clear that there is some competition between the two camps. Al Gore would have pressed the environmental issue had he been elected. Bush on the other hand represent the oil and arms industry so he pushed their agenda.

Hard to fathom? Well open your eyes it's in plain sight.

[Kev367th]

Lots of talking points.

They predicted increased hurricanes 5 years ago. Didn't happen.
The Earth has cooled the last 10 years. Didn't pedict that.
How can free floating North Polar ice melting rise sea levels? (Try dropping an ice cube into a glass of water, see what happens.)
South Polar ice is melting on the West side, increasing on the East side.
The GW fingerprint (heating in lower/mid atmosphere) is missing according to latest satellite data.

The big problem I have -
Every other science you have a model. If data does not agree with the model you look and see is wrong, or what is missing from the model.
In GW you start with the model is correct and massage the data to fit the model.
This is not science boys and girls.

If you want a real laugh -
http://www.surfacestations.org

Group doing a survey of US temperature monitoring stations. If that doesn't convince you the reliabilty of surface temperatures in the US is very suspect, then I don't know what will. It's shocking!

[33Vortex]

Thanks for the link! 

[RTHolmes]

The Swine flu, despite the measures taken, has now about the same amount of victims in the USA as the IRAQ war since 2003.

over 100,000 people have died from swineflu in the US? 

[bj229r]

Perhaps this is overly simplistic...but most folks agree that the average world temp has increased 3/4 of ONE degree Celsius in the last 100-odd years. Exactly HOW does that kill off the Polar Bears and melt the Polar ice caps? Were said ice caps previously at 0 Centigrade, and now they are +3/4?