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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #315 on: December 06, 2009, 09:08:30 PM »
Perhaps this is overly simplistic...but most folks agree that the average world temp has increased 3/4 of ONE degree Celsius in the last 100-odd years. Exactly HOW does that kill off the Polar Bears and melt the Polar ice caps? Were said ice caps previously at 0 Centigrade, and now they are +3/4?

Don't you know?  Every time a European flies in an airliner, polar bears fall out of the sky.

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #316 on: December 07, 2009, 05:22:11 PM »
Global warming or no global warming.... the debate rages on...  Having grown up in large cities where air pollution was visible and obviously destructive to human health, whether its co2 or carbon monoxide, or 1000+ other chemicals that are the byproducts of impartially combusted carbon based chemicals, as humans, our health can only benefit from reducing the amount we release, regardless if the earths temperature is increasing.  On a more personal note, I have a cousin who does not smoke, did not grow up in a household that smoked and yet at 35, acquired lung cancer due to air pollution! we can only gain from cleaning our environment.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #317 on: December 07, 2009, 05:28:36 PM »
I feel bad about your cousin and all but I find it a stretch that his cancer was diagnosed as caused by air pollution.

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #318 on: December 07, 2009, 05:33:15 PM »
Study from uni of Minnesota
Quote - shows that elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the past 50 years have boosted aspen growth rates by an astonishing 50 percent. - unquote

Could it be a simple cheap solution is just to plant more trees to replace the gazillions that have been cut down?

EPA declares CO2 a danger to humans.
How long before 1st lawsuit from someone breathing on another person ;-)

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #319 on: December 07, 2009, 05:49:34 PM »
Study from uni of Minnesota
Quote - shows that elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the past 50 years have boosted aspen growth rates by an astonishing 50 percent. - unquote

Could it be a simple cheap solution is just to plant more trees to replace the gazillions that have been cut down?

EPA declares CO2 a danger to humans.
How long before 1st lawsuit from someone breathing on another person ;-)

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yes, it could be that simple...as planting trees i mean.

as for deadly gases? co is much more deadly then co2. nox is MUCH MUCH more deadly than either co or co2.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #320 on: December 07, 2009, 06:07:44 PM »
yes, it could be that simple...as planting trees i mean.

as for deadly gases? co is much more deadly then co2. nox is MUCH MUCH more deadly than either co or co2.

Add in halitosis and you have a gas that even Hitler couldn't have dreamed up...

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #321 on: December 07, 2009, 06:13:22 PM »
Add in halitosis and you have a gas that even Hitler couldn't have dreamed up...

i don't know what that one is......
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #323 on: December 07, 2009, 06:27:41 PM »
Sorry to hear your google's busted...

http://www.google.com/search?q=halitosis&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

hah!! bad breath???   :rofl :rofl :rofl

and my google's not busted. i went outside to unload my van, then came back in.........looked it up, came here and saw this.  :rofl :aok :neener:
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #326 on: December 07, 2009, 06:54:17 PM »
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #327 on: December 07, 2009, 07:20:36 PM »
Study from uni of Minnesota
Quote - shows that elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the past 50 years have boosted aspen growth rates by an astonishing 50 percent. - unquote

Could it be a simple cheap solution is just to plant more trees to replace the gazillions that have been cut down?


Yes, in all honesty it could.  But, then again, it would take a lot of trees, and a lot of trees aren't cheap either.  One single adult tree absorbs about 48 pounds of CO2 to use in metabolic processes per YEAR.  But......just to negate the top two producers of CO2...

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    Country    

Total Emissions
(Million metric tons of CO2)
   


                                 (Tons)     (per capita)
1.    China            6017.69    4.58
2.    United States    5902.75    19.78

11900X1,000,000= measured metric tonnes
119,000,000,000 mt = 262,350,092,000,004 lb   =Amount of CO2 in english pounds.

262350092000004 lb CO2 / 48 lb per year by one adult tree= 5.46x1012 trees just to neutralize the top two producers.  

That's 546,000,000,000,000 trees.  

Pick up your shovel.

Like I've said before, I feel it's already too late: I'm already seeing shifts in movements of the species I study. The sun is at the lowest output measured...and still we see melt.  I measured the highest temperatures yet over coral reefs in the Florida Keys, in an ongoing 20 year study not related to climate. I never dreamed I'd actually see a measurable and verifiable pH shift in the ocean in my career. As a species, we've drug our feet too long already.   Most of you say there isn't even a problem, and are convinced by the very same people who reap the profits from it.  No wonder OPEC funds these bogus studies.

The problem with most of your arguments, is that you started with a biased opinion.  The whole theory of constructing an argument is to begin from a point of zero bias and work your way to formulating ideas, then constructing an approach to your argument.   Most of you have started with an idea and went looking for something to back up your predisposition.

 I'm sorry, but one stolen batch of emails (whose credibility has not been established) by one single researcher does not refute the scientific body of knowledge on the subject.  

 
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #328 on: December 07, 2009, 07:37:48 PM »
Yes, in all honesty it could.  But, then again, it would take a lot of trees, and a lot of trees aren't cheap either.  One single adult tree absorbs about 48 pounds of CO2 to use in metabolic processes per YEAR.  But......just to negate the top two producers of CO2...

11900X1,000,000= measured metric tonnes
119,000,000,000 mt = 262,350,092,000,004 lb   =Amount of CO2 in english pounds.

262350092000004 lb CO2 / 48 lb per year by one adult tree= 5.46x1012 trees just to neutralize the top two producers.  

That's 546,000,000,000,000 trees.  

Pick up your shovel.

Like I've said before, I feel it's already too late: I'm already seeing shifts in movements of the species I study. The sun is at the lowest output measured...and still we see melt.  I measured the highest temperatures yet over coral reefs in the Florida Keys, in an ongoing 20 year study not related to climate. I never dreamed I'd actually see a measurable and verifiable pH shift in the ocean in my career. As a species, we've drug our feet too long already.   Most of you say there isn't even a problem, and are convinced by the very same people who reap the profits from it.  No wonder OPEC funds these bogus studies.

The problem with most of your arguments, is that you started with a biased opinion.  The whole theory of constructing an argument is to begin from a point of zero bias and work your way to formulating ideas, then constructing an approach to your argument.   Most of you have started with an idea and went looking for something to back up your predisposition.

 I'm sorry, but one stolen batch of emails (whose credibility has not been established) by one single researcher does not refute the scientific body of knowledge on the subject.  

 

and how many have been cut down, killed, destroyed, etc in the last 100 years or so?

also, i believe plankton is a major source of co2 absorption, and o2 production?
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #329 on: December 07, 2009, 07:41:14 PM »
Perhaps this is overly simplistic...but most folks agree that the average world temp has increased 3/4 of ONE degree Celsius in the last 100-odd years. Exactly HOW does that kill off the Polar Bears and melt the Polar ice caps? Were said ice caps previously at 0 Centigrade, and now they are +3/4?
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