Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[FireDrgn]

Thats why we have to jump on this Gobal WArming thing right away  it only takes 5 degrees... for an ice age.

Maybe my computer will stop over heating tho

[Kev367th]

This is one point which I'd like to comment. The north polar ice cap is indeed mostly a freely floating and if it melts it does not add to the sea level directly (just stops reflecting the heat coming from the sun). But what you missed is the ice in Greenland, which is mostly over ground. To see what is going on there, all you need to do is to give keywords "greenland ice" to Google and check out the links.

Point taken about the Greenland Ice Sheet. Was originally pointing out that North Polar ice would have no effect on sea level as it is free floating.
So what about the claims that yes the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting around the edges, but over 1500ft it is gaining mass?

Its the hysteria (thankfully not on here) thats bugs me. On the BBC's "Have Your Say" I have seen posts allowed through that blame earthquakes and tsunamis on CC.

Which raw data is on realclimate? They get theirs from the CRU who 'claim' they destroyed ALL their original data back in the 80's?
Is it raw data or their value added data (their term not mine)?

[CAP1]

Point taken about the Greenland Ice Sheet. Was originally pointing out that North Polar ice would have no effect on sea level as it is free floating.
So what about the claims that yes the Greenland Ice Sheet is melting around the edges, but over 1500ft it is gaining mass?this is what i keep talking about. as it melts in one place, it freezes in another.

Its the hysteria (thankfully not on here) thats bugs me. On the BBC's "Have Your Say" I have seen posts allowed through that blame earthquakes and tsunamis on CC.

Which raw data is on realclimate? They get theirs from the CRU who 'claim' they destroyed ALL their original data back in the 80's?
Is it raw data or their value added data (their term not mine)?

[Kev367th]

So how long does CO2 stay in the atmosphere?

At first the IPCC said 200 years.
Then in 1997 revised it down to 100 years.

Peer reviewed ( gotta love it ) studies -



Very important part of the jigsaw!

So where does the IPCC figure (as of 1997) of 100 come from???? Any takers????

[CAP1]

So how long does CO2 stay in the atmosphere?

At first the IPCC said 200 years.
Then in 1997 revised it down to 100 years.

Peer reviewed ( gotta love it ) studies -

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Very important part of the jigsaw!

So where does the IPCC figure (as of 1997) of 100 come from???? Any takers????

well....it DOESN'T stay in the atmosphere. it gets converted to o2 by trees, and pretty much anythign green that grows. plankton too.

 now here's the kicker.

co2 does not, and cannot go to the upper atmosphere. it weighs more than air. unless of course the laws of physics have changed, and no one told us?

[DrDea]

 There is a large group of people in the world,and always has been,that feel inspired to try to make things better for their fellow man. There is any of a zillion causes out their. Many are legit,many more are just others taking advantage of this groups naivety,and willingness to jump on the bandwagon. While many may have started out with good intentions,they devolved into an elitist mentality that "they know whats best."

 The followers of this Climategate will never admit they were taken for a ride by others making billions in profits from their gullibility. Its just not going to happen. They wont look at the data no matter HOW you present it. You can show them tree rings from hundreds of years,you can show them ice cores,you can show how the rural data has been shamelessly dropped from the data used to show temp levels,you can show them e mails and huge holes in the data stream that showed a downward trend in temps. None of it will matter to them.

[CAP1]

There is a large group of people in the world,and always has been,that feel inspired to try to make things better for their fellow man. There is any of a zillion causes out their. Many are legit,many more are just others taking advantage of this groups naivety,and willingness to jump on the bandwagon. While many may have started out with good intentions,they devolved into an elitist mentality that "they know whats best."

 The followers of this Climategate will never admit they were taken for a ride by others making billions in profits from their gullibility. Its just not going to happen. They wont look at the data no matter HOW you present it. You can show them tree rings from hundreds of years,you can show them ice cores,you can show how the rural data has been shamelessly dropped from the data used to show temp levels,you can show them e mails and huge holes in the data stream that showed a downward trend in temps. None of it will matter to them.

there's only one thing that's needed to show them.

 look out the window.

[bj229r]

Another day goes by, and no response from the MMGW peanut gallery:

"HOW DOES 3/4 OF ONE DEGREE CENTIGRADE OVER 100 YEARS MAKE THE ICE CAPS MELT?"

[CAP1]

Another day goes by, and no response from the MMGW peanut gallery:

"HOW DOES 3/4 OF ONE DEGREE CENTIGRADE OVER 100 YEARS MAKE THE ICE CAPS MELT?"

it doesn't

[MORAY37]

Another day goes by, and no response from the MMGW peanut gallery:

"HOW DOES 3/4 OF ONE DEGREE CENTIGRADE OVER 100 YEARS MAKE THE ICE CAPS MELT?"

Because 3/4 C is an "average".  Meaning some places show extreme change, while others don't.  The number is an average taken from the system, not an average applied to the system.

[bj229r]

CC that, so how many degrees does it take to melt said ice caps?

[CAP1]

CC that, so how many degrees does it take to melt said ice caps?

more than 3/4.

on a related note.......check this out.


i guess things really are getting hotter, since this thing isn't melting.

http://news.aol.com/article/giant-iceberg-heading-toward-australia/809967?icid=webmail|wbml-aol|dl1|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fgiant-iceberg-heading-toward-australia%2F809967

[Strip]

Anyone notice how Moray completely skipped Kev367th post?

(Quite frankly just like he has done with many other posts.)

For the record I agree with DrDea.....

Strip

[CAP1]

here's the problem as i see it.

those of us with our beliefs have them, and personal and local experience to go with.

"scientists" who are trying to convince us that global warming is man made have an agenda. they get more grants, as long as they continue to keep people convinced in it.
 large corporations see a pot of gold in this stuff, and jump on the bandwagon, throwing in their muscle, and weight. they can and WILL make more money than anyone can imagine on this crap.

 "scientists" who are trying to convince us that global warming is not man made also have their agenda. while not as big as those trying to prove it is man made, they will continue to get grants from someone.
 there's not enough money to be made if the theory is disproved, so they don't get the corporations on board, and don't pull the weight they otherwise could.

 the thing we all have to remember, is that while it may be warming in  region "A", it is cooling in region "B". chances are good that region "B" just finished a warming cycle, just as "A" just finished a cooling cycle.

 this is normal. it has, and always will happen. there is nothing the human race can do to speed it up, there is nothign the human race can do to slow or stop it.

 sea levels? same thing. if they're rising in region "A", chances are they're receding in "B".

remember...the earth doesn't rotate perfectly on its axis. it "wobbles". this can and will cause these types of changes, along with other factors.

 if any of you have ever watched discovery green(i was channel surfing), there was a show where the discovery channel is sponsering ideas to slow down global warming. this is clue #1 there's a problem. they would not involve themselves if there wasn't a LOT of money to be made off of this.

 some of the ideas? THESE are truly scary.

1) load trillions of tiny mirrors on a space ship, and blast em into outer space. they'll reflect sunlight away from the planet, or some of them being prism type lenses, they'll "bend" the suns energy, deflecting it around the earth.

2) run unmaned ocean liners about the seas, blasting a mist(creatred from sea water) pretty much creating a sort of cloud, again, blocking the suns energy from reaching us.

3) sea tubes. these are "wave" powered, go 1,000 ft deep into the ocean. they;re supposed to bring plankton to the surface. this almost makes sense, as i think plankton absorbs more carbon dioxide than trees and plants do.

 my point is who are the effin loons that want to deflect the suns energy from our planet??? we NEED its energy. are these nutballs trying to create an endless winter??
 

 the problem with these ideas, once again, is that corporations are looking at these things, as a way to make money. money from something that is not a problem to begin with.

 do you all realize that co is MUCH more dangerous than co2, right? co2 is heavier than air. it does not go up into the atmosphere. co on the other hand is lighter, and can.
 read this page.
http://www.dupagehealth.org/health_alert/co2_alert.html

back yet?  cool. now, by that, realize that co will kill you more quickly, and insidiously than co2.

 after you realize that, then realize that nox is 10 times more deadly than co.

 i wish i had the answers, but i don't.

 what i DO know, is that the weather here where i live has remained mostly unchanged for as long as i can remember. i'm 47.  the biggest change i've noticed, is that it never got warm enough for me to run my a/c this past summer. in fact, i only had to open my windows to be comfortable.

 so....all of you....forget the data, because both sides really only present us with things that favor what they want it to favor.

 look back, if you've lived in your area for a long time. was the weather noticably different 20 years ago? 30?

 we can come up with our own conclusions right here if everyone is honest in their answers, as there's people all over the world reading these threads.
 i'd bet that our conclusions are much different than what out "scientists" would like them to be.


 my brother moved to central florida when he was 18. he's now 45. he says that the weather there is the same as when he moved there.

like this one too?

[Chalenge]

Concerning sea level rise: Blame the system of measurement.