Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Penguin]

Who did?

-Penguin

[CAP1]

I didn't begin the personal slurs... I merely responded to them.

If highlighting his behavior is a personal attack, (it isn't, you live and die by ones own words), then using terms such as "denialist" must be especially egregious.

I'm not going allow someone to shovel their manure into my yard. If that leads to the thread being locked, so be it. 


My regards,

Widewing

funny quick story...in rl, my neighbor used to let their dog come in my yard all the time to do it's business.

my brother an i used to take turns with the shovel, tossing it back over the fence to their yard.

 made for some fun arguments between our grandparents, and the neighbors. 

[Angus]

I wish that this thread should not turn into a duel between Wide and Moray, who are both persons from this forums that I personally have quite some respect for.
Getting back on topic, I think it's completely bad when a scientist sells himself to an agenda, be it for his own belief or the money. In my mind (and I bet on Moray there as well) that is the point when the "scientist" stops being a scientist.
And getting back to carbon. Sometimes the layman view is not that bad. I'll give it a go.
- We know that carbon has it cycle and in the perfect world it would (as it has been) be relatively stable. Plants, soil, atmosphere, plants. Some will be bound for a long time, some not.
- Right now, we are juicing out carbon from fossils and into the atmosphere, while the return binding is being lessened.
- So in short, C (read CO2 basically) should be increasing in our atmosphere.
- Readings indicate that, that is just the case.

I am curious if that that that forum would give that that a pass

[Widewing]

Who did?

-Penguin

So Penguin, are you still posing as an adolescent pre-teen?

"Ok come on, I haven't even taken biology yet."

"Thanks Moray, but I'm not in highschool yet.  I that I can get the papers though"

"I don't understand where you are going with that.  Of course I can't live in the woods!  I'm not even grown up!"

"Just because our voice is higher doesn't make us annoying.  This is just the way we are, and we can't help it.  The least you guys can do is not to make threads simply to insult us; so relax, don't you have something better to do?"

Then there is this post (scroll to bottom)... Not something I have ever seen from a pre-pubescent youngster:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280487.msg3535995.html#msg3535995

You are whining about some coarse discussion, yet you are being deliberately fraudulent all the while... Nice touch.


My regards,

Widewing

[Penguin]

I am smart, smart like you've never seen from a teenager.  Just turned 13, I am pubescent, my voice is still high, but *ahem* other things are growing (I think that you can guess what )  That slider is from a game I once played, Hearts of Iron, it's a military strategy game where you try to win World War II.  The sliders represent how much of your industrial capactity you will devote to one task or another, and when one goes up, the others go down.  I've been called a nerd many times, and kids ask me for defenitions of words.

The voice I use when I post comes from my dad, he wrote plays and acted when he was in college.  He was also a narrator for plays.  He taught me (effectively through osmosis), how speak/write with a good, solid voice.  That's why I sound older than I am.

You notice that I complain when my knowledge or capacity are believed to be larger, or in one case, squeakers were being attacked; then I whine a bit.  You then go on to say that since I made the statements in your quote, that I couldn't be 13 and have made the post about military pregnancy.

Sorry, I guess that you'll have to take my word for it on this one.

Happy Trails, oh, and Happy New Year!  

No hard feelings?
 
-Penguin

[Motherland]

I am smart, smart like you've never seen from a teenager.

You notice that I complain when my knowledge or capacity are believed to be larger, or in one case, squeakers were being attacked; then I whine a bit.  You then go on to say that since I made the statements in your quote, that I couldn't be 13 and have made the post about military pregnancy.

There are plenty of 'kids' here 12-17, being able to form a competent opinion doesn't make you special. And most of them don't use their age as a crutch when they're cornered.

That's why I sound older than I am.

Actually I was instantly able to pick out that you were either young or in some other way impaired when it comes to expressing yourself through text.

[spammer]

Its all about the money... If I were a Scientist and my job depended on research grants from the governments, (AKA:Taxpayers) I would be for doing everything it took to futher the agenda. Nobody likes the krap in the air or water so it would be an easy sell. With the advancements in electromagnetics and frictionless bearings, we could easily create an electrical generator for every house and business thus eliminating the need for coal and nuclear power plants. When I lived in Boise ID in the mid 80's, I read a article in the local newspaper reporting a engineer at the INEL created a flashlight battery with a shelf life of 25,000 years. The reason we haven't reacted to these innovations is because of the money, Imagine the lose of jobs and revenue related to the matenance of the power grid both to the citizens and governments.

"Carbon Credits" software for "Cap and Trade" are already in place and have been heavily financed by Al Gore and the other cronies trying to forward and captilize off this Krap, Wallstreet will broker the trades.

Its always about the MONEY. We're just the useless idoits that has to pay for this stuff.

Sorry for being a bummer guys,

spammer

[Chalenge]

You are whining about some coarse discussion, yet you are being deliberately fraudulent all the while... Nice touch.

I owe you a beer.

[Penguin]

I suppose the debate is over know. 
So motherland, where was I cornered?  I can see where that sounds strange, let me fix a few things to see if it works better.

Original:
You notice that I complain when my knowledge or capacity are believed to be larger,

Fixed Version:
You notice that I complain when my knowledge or capacity to do things are believed to be larger than they are.

Original:
That's why I sound older than I am.

Fixed Version:
Widewing, that's why I sounded older than I am to you

That first part of my post, oochie, yeah I can't say much about that 

This part of my post is directed to Widewing

Widewing, you are sadly mistaken, ask anyone from Duxford.  I'm a kid.  I don't see why you would think that I would put on a false guise during a debate just because of a few points.  I'm not going to post pictures of myself, since all that would do is give predators a chance at me.  So to refute your point, I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am the age that I say I am, but you can't prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not a talking dog with incredible persuasion skills.

-Penguin

[Widewing]

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 230



My regards,

Widewing

[MORAY37]

You thought that you could sneak in an edit and it would be missed by me, but seen by those catching up on the thread... What were you afraid of?

I stand by what I stated. You, on the other hand, flip-flop around like a gaffed tuna.

I don't dislike scientists. I dislike dishonest scientists. You know, liars and fabricators of data. I deal with scientists almost every day.

You wrote: "I could care less if AGW is completely true or not.  Misrepresenting someone's work is lower than dirt, and worse than stealing it."

The first part is obviously bullhockey, based upon your vehement defending of AGW dogma. Bulldinkey #1

The second part is utter fabrication. I stated exactly what the article stated. Is Science Daily misrepresenting Knorr's work? Bulldinkey #2

Your next quote is this one, "You just couldn't read Knorr's paper without some denialist site telling you what it said."

So, you are now saying that Science Daily is a "denialist site"? Oh, and there's that elitist attitude again, calling people "denialists" if they might disagree with some of the worst science since the dark ages. This only reinforces what I defined as lie #1. So, we have bulldinkey #1².

The article I quoted was from Science Daily, which means either they are now a denialist rag, or you're as obtuse as granite. We know that the Science Daily is absolutely not a denialist rag, so what is left is.... Who knows, you may eventually make a usable counter top.

You are so completely full of yourself, that you cannot endure being incorrect. Really, you present everyone who disagrees as being stupid, or perhaps just ignorant, but certainly needing to be talked down to. The reality is that you come across as just an arrogant young man with much to learn about world and the people in it. If that's how you want people to perceive you, than by all means carry on.


My regards,

Widewing

Wide, again, if you actually read the article you are quoting you will understand.  Knorr's work finds the 150 year trend, and uses annual data that is unable to account for seasonal variations in the northern and southern hemispheres.  His work also doesn't account for volcanism as well.  In fact, his work wasn't even meant to be applied to the discourse you are using it.  He repeatedly cautions against the very way you are framing his work.  All things you would know if you actually read the submission.

The surprising fact about his work was that the CO₂ cycle showed resilience and the ability to consistently absorb the 55-57%, no matter what the output was, up until recent times.  He even states that the end of his data shows an increase in the atmospheric fraction, but that it isn't statistically significant when dealing in the terms of standard deviations.  He also repeatedly says that his annual data wouldn't massage out any significant change (+ or - in [CO₂] in the latter data, because of the overwhelming bottom heavy significance of his data set (1850-1950).

Of course, you don't know this, because you take an overview piece from "Science Daily" and form your opinion without looking at the methodology and shortcomings within the actual study.

You are wrong.  Please look into papers by Khatiwala et al and Le Quéré , that have the statistical capacity to measure recent changes in CO₂ fractional changes.

[Masherbrum]

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 230



My regards,

Widewing

LMFAO!!!!!  Brilliant WW!!   

[Masherbrum]

Methane is a more important facet, than CO2.   But keep it on the down low.   

[Penguin]

Hamlet Act 3, scene 2, 230



My regards,

Widewing

What are you even getting at?   

-Penguin

[Masherbrum]

What are you even getting at?   

-Penguin

Checkmate.   Well played Widewing!