Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[CAP1]

I was wondering when the methane locked into the worlds oceans would come up.



Pulls up chair, anyone taking bets? I've got $1,000 on Widewing please.

i thought i had seen something on one of the discovery channels, that they were trying to "Farm" or harness that?

supposedly, there's so much along the east coast, it could power a LOT of the country.

[Masherbrum]

i thought i had seen something on one of the discovery channels, that they were trying to "Farm" or harness that?

supposedly, there's so much along the east coast, it could power a LOT of the country.

Yep.   It's the same thing as the "Manganese Nodules" on the floors of some of the Oceans (For the Nickel, Copper and Cobalt farmed from them).   "Is the cost of retrieving them worth it going to turn a profit?"   

[Holden McGroin]

Yep.   It's the same thing as the "Manganese Nodules" on the floors of some of the Oceans (For the Nickel, Copper and Cobalt farmed from them).   "Is the cost of retrieving them worth it going to turn a profit?"   

Isn't that what the Glomar Explorer was supposed to be picking up?

[Strip]

Isn't that what the Glomar Explorer was supposed to be picking up?

No, some damn Russian submarine kept getting in there way....

Strip

[Masherbrum]

Isn't that what the Glomar Explorer was supposed to be picking up?

Yes, but as Strip mentioned, it was a "cover" to try and recover K-129.   They recovered about 1/3rd of the Sub too.  IIRC, they encountered a malfunction on the recovery winch, inadvertently caused the sub to split and 2/3rds went back to the bottom.   

[Strip]

Not to hijack but there is a bit of controversy there...

The submarines bell was recovered and presented to a Russian representative, the bell was located in a portion claimed lost by the CIA.

Strip

[Holden McGroin]

Yes, but as Strip mentioned, it was a "cover" to try and recover K-129.   They recovered about 1/3rd of the Sub too.  IIRC, they encountered a malfunction on the recovery winch, inadvertently caused the sub to split and 2/3rds went back to the bottom.   

That's what they want you to believe.

The CIA was clever enough to realise that if they told the truth right away nobody would believe them. After a while when the freedom of information act was asking for the paperwork, they concocted the Russian submarine cover to throw the hounds off track.

The real reason was the Manganese Nodules.

[Angus]

Methane is the scary one. The only good thing is that the combustion of it leads to a less harmless gas for GW than methane itself. And the stock that can be reached has a lot of energy tied to it....

[Penguin]

Hey Moray, I was waiting for you to come along!

To begin my argument, I will attack Widewing's ad hominem of calling me a liar.  I was born on July fourteenth, 1996.  Furthermore, he has not proven to me that he isn't a talking dog.  I could just as easily attack him for that with the same question.

Next, whatever goes in the sea that isn't supposed to be there will eventually come out, and that means that we will eventually have to deall with just about every ounce that we put out.  To illustrate this problem I will use demographics:

India has a population around one billion. 

There is one car for every twenty people there (95% have no car)

99% of those want a car if they could get one.

Now we'll have a problem about 6 times the one of the US (accounting for SUV's).  Now Widewing, are you willing to defend the position that either:

a.) Those Indians don't want a car or

b.) That once a substantial amount of them get cars the air pollution won't do anything

If that is true, you have a lot of explaining to do, since all I did was look at India.  China has twice as many people, and is the world's fastest growing car market.  That would mean slapping on a problem 12 times the size of the US.

-Penguin

[Masherbrum]

Hey Moray, I was waiting for you to come along!

To begin my argument, I will attack Widewing's ad hominem of calling me a liar.  I was born on July fourteenth, 1996.  Furthermore, he has not proven to me that he isn't a talking dog.  I could just as easily attack him for that with the same question.

Next, whatever goes in the sea that isn't supposed to be there will eventually come out, and that means that we will eventually have to deall with just about every ounce that we put out.  To illustrate this problem I will use demographics:

India has a population around one billion. 

There is one car for every twenty people there (95% have no car)

99% of those want a car if they could get one.

Now we'll have a problem about 6 times the one of the US (accounting for SUV's).  Now Widewing, are you willing to defend the position that either:

a.) Those Indians don't want a car or

b.) That once a substantial amount of them get cars the air pollution won't do anything

If that is true, you have a lot of explaining to do, since all I did was look at India.  China has twice as many people, and is the world's fastest growing car market.  That would mean slapping on a problem 12 times the size of the US.

-Penguin

DieHard, cars are the least of Mankind's "worries".

[Penguin]

Fine, coal and oil powerplants.

One way or another, they will produce greenhouse gasses.  You are right, they are the least of mankind's worries in global warming.  We should debate about larger things, such as how we heat our homes, give power to the masses, or how we transport food around the world I'm a way that doesn't ruin our ecosystem.

So let's begin

-Penguin

[Angus]

Hehe, if EVERY person on the planet was an equal consumer to a U.S. citizen (Is the USA the highest?) in regards to not only cars, but everything, - you'd be looking at a very strange scenario....

[Penguin]

That's where we're headed 

-Penguin

[Angus]

That is where "we" are never going to get.

[CAP1]

That's where we're headed 

-Penguin

doubtful.

mother earth always has, and always will take care of herself.

 we are nothing more than a zit on her arse.