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Offline Ripsnort

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #855 on: January 04, 2010, 05:33:06 PM »
Speaking of the bogus "carbon footprints" we've all been hearing about....for those that believe this poppycock (I love that term)....which city has the largest carbon footprint in the world? Anyone want to take a crack at that question?

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #856 on: January 04, 2010, 05:37:33 PM »

To begin my argument, I will attack Widewing's ad hominem of calling me a liar.  I was born on July fourteenth, 1996.  Furthermore, he has not proven to me that he isn't a talking dog.  I could just as easily attack him for that with the same question.

LOLOL Several of the folks in this thread know me personally, as well as many others who have not posted.

By the way, Woof Woof....


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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #857 on: January 04, 2010, 07:39:34 PM »
Now we'll have a problem about 6 times the one of the US (accounting for SUV's).  Now Widewing, are you willing to defend the position that either:

a.) Those Indians don't want a car or

b.) That once a substantial amount of them get cars the air pollution won't do anything

If that is true, you have a lot of explaining to do, since all I did was look at India.  China has twice as many people, and is the world's fastest growing car market.  That would mean slapping on a problem 12 times the size of the US.

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Aw gee Penguin, Indians need to go places too you know. That really cheap Tata will fill the bill for many. Besides, it's safer. India is probably the only nation on earth where a bus accident yields as many dead as a 747 slamming into Everest. Get more of them in cars and off of the roofs of buses and trains, things will be less deadly.

Then we have the Chinese, who bought a record number of GM cars in 2009. GM sold many more in China than in the USA.

Sooner or later, electric cars will be the norm. But, we'll need more than wind and solar to generate the power requirements.. Think nuke.

As for me and the wife, we drive a pair of SUVs (Jeep Wrangler and Suzuki Grand Vitara) and a mildly hot-rodded Suzuki sedan.



Also note the 2+ feet of global warming effect where I live.....
 

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #858 on: January 04, 2010, 09:58:25 PM »


Also note the 2+ feet of global warming effect where I live.....
 

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Cmon Wide, you're a smart guy.  More precipitation of any sort is an obvious effect of more evaporation globally.  No one said it wasn't still going to be cold in winter time in New York.  The fact you have snow at this time of year does nothing to support your argument, and weakens it considerably when the global aspects of warming are accounted.  It is no more a proof than a heat wave, though.  Weather does not equal climate.

Of course I realize this wasn't your intention (at least hope not), but the parroting of "snow" as a proof that AGW isn't occurring is incredibly effective at the level of the general public.  If it is your opinion that "snow in winter" is a sign that it (AGW) isn't happening, then your vision is simplistic and limited in scope.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #859 on: January 04, 2010, 10:12:54 PM »
Cmon Wide, you're a smart guy.  More precipitation of any sort is an obvious effect of more evaporation globally.  No one said it wasn't still going to be cold in winter time in New York.  The fact you have snow at this time of year does nothing to support your argument, and weakens it considerably when the global aspects of warming are accounted.  It is no more a proof than a heat wave, though.  Weather does not equal climate.

Of course I realize this wasn't your intention (at least hope not), but the parroting of "snow" as a proof that AGW isn't occurring is incredibly effective at the level of the general public.  If it is your opinion that "snow in winter" is a sign that it (AGW) isn't happening, then your vision is simplistic and limited in scope.

what then does weather equal?


it would seem to me, that the "local" weather around here(which is the same this year, as it has been pretty much every year that i can remember in this area) is a small part of the climate.
 then the weather in widewings area is another small part. same with in the midwest, and in the uk, and pretty much everywhere.

 if these local weather systems are following a pattern, which is the normal pattern they;ve been following, they would all be normal.
 thus, all of these little "local weather systems" combine to equal the climate.

 and guess what? we're not hurting it. not one single bit.

 we're polluting things, but that's entirely another discussion.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #860 on: January 04, 2010, 10:57:15 PM »
Cmon Wide, you're a smart guy.  More precipitation of any sort is an obvious effect of more evaporation globally.  No one said it wasn't still going to be cold in winter time in New York.  The fact you have snow at this time of year does nothing to support your argument, and weakens it considerably when the global aspects of warming are accounted.  It is no more a proof than a heat wave, though.  Weather does not equal climate.

Of course I realize this wasn't your intention (at least hope not), but the parroting of "snow" as a proof that AGW isn't occurring is incredibly effective at the level of the general public.  If it is your opinion that "snow in winter" is a sign that it (AGW) isn't happening, then your vision is simplistic and limited in scope.

I'm sure you realize that remark was tongue-in-cheek.  :rolleyes:

We live right on the coast. We get Nor'easters quite frequently. We've had several already this year. The difference over the past 4 or 5 years has been that the temperatures have been much colder. Thus, we get gobs of snow rather than heavy rain. We just experienced the single greatest pre-Christmas snowfall ever recorded for this area. 25" to 27". All through December, up to and including now (and the foreseeable future), temperatures have been averaging about 6 degrees below normal. This is not a local phenomena either. The entire northern hemisphere is experiencing what is being called the coldest winter in 30 years. Last year was colder than the year before. This past summer saw only one day where summer temps reached 90 degrees here, and only for a few hours. We ran the A/C very little last summer. However, our fuel oil use was up by 15% in 2008, and even higher in 2009. I dread the oil bills for 2010 as it has been significantly colder this winter. Long term forecasts show no change in this. Stocks of home heating oil and natural gas are rapidly being depleted. Britain is facing a shortage of natural gas. All because it's much colder and demand is up considerably. Thus, we watch the price of both commodities climbing rapidly.

I'll say it again. We are into the beginning of a significant cooling period, probably lasting 20 years or more. It'll be might tough to sell refrigerators to the Eskimos....


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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #861 on: January 05, 2010, 07:53:55 AM »
I'm sure you realize that remark was tongue-in-cheek.  :rolleyes:

We live right on the coast. We get Nor'easters quite frequently. We've had several already this year. The difference over the past 4 or 5 years has been that the temperatures have been much colder. Thus, we get gobs of snow rather than heavy rain. We just experienced the single greatest pre-Christmas snowfall ever recorded for this area. 25" to 27". All through December, up to and including now (and the foreseeable future), temperatures have been averaging about 6 degrees below normal. This is not a local phenomena either. The entire northern hemisphere is experiencing what is being called the coldest winter in 30 years. Last year was colder than the year before. This past summer saw only one day where summer temps reached 90 degrees here, and only for a few hours. We ran the A/C very little last summer. However, our fuel oil use was up by 15% in 2008, and even higher in 2009. I dread the oil bills for 2010 as it has been significantly colder this winter. Long term forecasts show no change in this. Stocks of home heating oil and natural gas are rapidly being depleted. Britain is facing a shortage of natural gas. All because it's much colder and demand is up considerably. Thus, we watch the price of both commodities climbing rapidly.

I'll say it again. We are into the beginning of a significant cooling period, probably lasting 20 years or more. It'll be might tough to sell refrigerators to the Eskimos....


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Widewing

 this winter is making me thankful i bought a waste oil heater for the shop. it pretty much burns anything flammable that comes out of a car, plus it'll burn deisel, jet a, kerosene, or heating oil.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #862 on: January 05, 2010, 08:14:05 AM »
this winter is making me thankful i bought a waste oil heater for the shop. it pretty much burns anything flammable that comes out of a car, plus it'll burn deisel, jet a, kerosene, or heating oil.

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #863 on: January 05, 2010, 08:15:22 AM »
Polar bear murderer.

hey!!

the guys out front at the gas pumps are eating well. 2 just fell in the parking lot,....they're cookin em already.  :noid :bolt:
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #864 on: January 05, 2010, 10:40:25 AM »
Has there been a study using rural weather data specifically?

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #865 on: January 05, 2010, 10:52:45 AM »
I'm sure you realize that remark was tongue-in-cheek.  :rolleyes:



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Like I posted in response, I fervently hope so.

But again, even using it as a joke, the general public equates "snow" as a proof against climate change, even though the actual theory has snowfall increasing globally.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #866 on: January 05, 2010, 11:14:39 AM »
Like I posted in response, I fervently hope so.

But again, even using it as a joke, the general public equates "snow" as a proof against climate change, even though the actual theory has snowfall increasing globally.

but if the snowfall onlyt increases to what it was a few years ago, how does that equate to global warming/>?

 in this area, we get hammered every few years......and only light snow in between......which is pretty much the norm as far back as i can remember.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #867 on: January 05, 2010, 11:18:50 AM »
I can't help but laugh at the little global warming pundants.


No matter the weather, temperature or who wins the superbowl..... the world is warming because of humans.

According to them Global warming is not the same as weather, climate, or anything else. So in reality what they are saying is it will not affect anything..... so what exactly is it???? It is in the minds of the fear mongers who want to steal your hard earned money to line their crooked pockets.

They can say what they want.. to me they are a threat to me and my families well being.
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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #868 on: January 05, 2010, 01:58:56 PM »
Speaking of the bogus "carbon footprints" we've all been hearing about....for those that believe this poppycock (I love that term)....which city has the largest carbon footprint in the world? Anyone want to take a crack at that question?

All these 'climate experts' here, and no one knows the answer to this question?

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Re: Whistle blowing on Global Warming
« Reply #869 on: January 05, 2010, 02:06:24 PM »
All these 'climate experts' here, and no one knows the answer to this question?

i dunno the answer.....but would liek to.
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