Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[dunnrite]

Luxembourg

[Ripsnort]

Dubai, UAE
http://www.sustainablefootprint.org/en/cms/gebruikerscherm.asp?itemId=381

[Widewing]

The article refers to their "ecological footprint", not specifically carbon. China ranks first in carbon footprint.

They also say in terms of ecological footprint, the the United Arab Emirates ranks first, the USA second, Finland third, Canada fourth and Kuwait ranks fifth.


My regards,

Widewing

[Angus]

Wasn't there an online test available to check yours personally?
Anyway, while China has the biggest footprint, it is largely due to the cheap products shipped to Europe and the USA. They should count there.
Anyway, trying to make a money-system about this whole lot is IMHO total ballocks

[CAP1]

Anyway, trying to make a money-system about this whole lot is IMHO total ballocks

BINGO!!!!!

that's what we've been saying all along...and that's what they're tryin to do.

[cpxxx]

I know weather does not equal climate. But I wonder how many people who took global warming on board without skepticism will now be wondering about the truth of it. Particularly here in Ireland, Britain and the Northern Europe where we've been hit with what has been called the worst weather for 50 years. I for one have never seen it this bad. Actually that's lie. I saw it in Iceland a couple of years ago and I remember that locals saying it was a bit early. It's been freezing here since before Christmas, -8 deg C and -10 deg C at night. Daytime temperatures of -5 is routine. There's no end in sight either. I realise that those of you living in snowier climes might find this rather unimpressive but I live on the west coast of Ireland five minutes drive from the sea which is washed by the warm Gulf Stream. To say it's unusual is to put it mildly. Minus 1 or 2 would the worst we expect normally.

But of course none of this will knock a wheel off the AGW juggernaut. But they're beginning to look a bit wobbly all the same. What with recent undermining of the credibility of data. Something I might add the skeptics have been proved correct on. As the actual climate continues to refuse to conform to the climate models. One can only wonder how long this will last.


I'm content to sit it out and watch the antics. There's nothing I can do anyway.

[CAP1]

I know weather does not equal climate. But I wonder how many people who took global warming on board without skepticism will now be wondering about the truth of it. Particularly here in Ireland, Britain and the Northern Europe where we've been hit with what has been called the worst weather for 50 years. I for one have never seen it this bad. Actually that's lie. I saw it in Iceland a couple of years ago and I remember that locals saying it was a bit early. It's been freezing here since before Christmas, -8 deg C and -10 deg C at night. Daytime temperatures of -5 is routine. There's no end in sight either. I realise that those of you living in snowier climes might find this rather unimpressive but I live on the west coast of Ireland five minutes drive from the sea which is washed by the warm Gulf Stream. To say it's unusual is to put it mildly. Minus 1 or 2 would the worst we expect normally.

But of course none of this will knock a wheel off the AGW juggernaut. But they're beginning to look a bit wobbly all the same. What with recent undermining of the credibility of data. Something I might add the skeptics have been proved correct on. As the actual climate continues to refuse to conform to the climate models. One can only wonder how long this will last.


I'm content to sit it out and watch the antics. There's nothing I can do anyway.

remember.......when it gets warmer, it's global warming.

when it gets colder, it's global warming.

 when it snows more, it's global warming.
 when it snows less, it's global warming.
when it rains more, it's global warming.
when it rains less, it's global warming,.

only one thing left to say......and i'm prolly gonna get in twouble for this.......

  it's the sun stupid!

 

[Penguin]

Regardless, do you want all of that stuff in city air?  I mean really, it starts to smell after a while.  Boston smells like deisel fumes all times of the day.  You guys keep making these claims, but I want to see where you got your evidence.  Don't tell me that the oil companies have a spotless record, either. 

Nonetheless, I will try to convey to you what global warming is.  Right now, we won't see the effects, but over the next fifty years or so, they will become readily apparent.  Even if it isn't happening now, our rampant destruction of forests (sucks up CO2 like a sponge), will definetly change how our planet copes.

To refute the claim of abiogenic oil, I will cite Texas.  If the claim is true, then why aren't we making the same amount of oil we always have had there, if not more?  That's because the theory is flawed at a fundamental level.  If you have unlimited oil, why should production ever drop, or in some cases cease?

It doesn't work, you need a more longer term method of movement and power!  Who needs gears when you control exactly how much power the engine generates (electricity). 

-Penguin

[CAP1]

Regardless, do you want all of that stuff in city air?  I mean really, it starts to smell after a while.  Boston smells like deisel fumes all times of the day.  You guys keep making these claims, but I want to see where you got your evidence.  Don't tell me that the oil companies have a spotless record, either. 

Nonetheless, I will try to convey to you what global warming is.  Right now, we won't see the effects, but over the next fifty years or so, they will become readily apparent.  Even if it isn't happening now, our rampant destruction of forests (sucks up CO2 like a sponge), will definetly change how our planet copes.

To refute the claim of abiogenic oil, I will cite Texas.  If the claim is true, then why aren't we making the same amount of oil we always have had there, if not more?  That's because the theory is flawed at a fundamental level.  If you have unlimited oil, why should production ever drop, or in some cases cease?

It doesn't work, you need a more longer term method of movement and power!  Who needs gears when you control exactly how much power the engine generates (electricity). 

-Penguin

and in the next 50 years, the sun will be more active. imagine that. 

[Shuffler]

 

[Widewing]

Regardless, do you want all of that stuff in city air?  I mean really, it starts to smell after a while. 

-Penguin

Indeed, it's not the only thing......



My regards,

Widewing

[cpxxx]

'Rampant destruction of the forests', Problem is that there has been more planting of forests than there has been destruction in recent years. Now I know that losing virgin  rainforest is not good. But in terms of actual reforesetation, from the point of view of C02. There are more forests planted than destroyed. It is a bad thing that rainforest is lost from an environmental point of view. But from a ecological point of view it's marginal. People need to underdstand the difference.

[CAP1]

'Rampant destruction of the forests', Problem is that there has been more planting of forests than there has been destruction in recent years. Now I know that losing virgin  rainforest is not good. But in terms of actual reforesetation, from the point of view of C02. There are more forests planted than destroyed. It is a bad thing that rainforest is lost from an environmental point of view. But from a ecological point of view it's marginal. People need to underdstand the difference.

it's still gonna take time for them to grow, and mature to the levels of the trees cut down. how old were those forrests?

 also, don't forget, plankton exchanges much more  co2 for o2 than the forrests do.


 the main thing people need to understand, is that short of someone pushing the red button, we really aren't much of anything that's gonna do serious damage to the earth. even then, we'll only hurt ourselves, and the earth will continue.


 i say again. follow the money. that is what it all comes down to. always has, and always will

[cpxxx]

Your're right the Earth will continue. It will shrug us off as the some kind of virus that bugged it for a while and carry on.

[CAP1]

Your're right the Earth will continue. It will shrug us off as the some kind of virus that bugged it for a while and carry on.

yes sir.....that which you just typed is more than likely truer than any statement made so far in this thread.