Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[E25280]

only one thing left to say......and i'm prolly gonna get in twouble for this.......

  it's the sun stupid!

 

Now where have I heard that before . . . 


 

[CAP1]

Now where have I heard that before . . . 


 

i couldn't help myself....and you know what i mean. 

[sluggish]

Wasn't there a correlation (back in the nineties when there really was a rise in temps) between the temp rise on Earth and on Mars?

[Ripsnort]

Wasn't there an online test available to check yours personally?
Anyway, while China has the biggest footprint, it is largely due to the cheap products shipped to Europe and the USA. They should count there.
Anyway, trying to make a money-system about this whole lot is IMHO total ballocks

Wow! Didn't know China was a city!

Read my question again, DA.

[Penguin]

Yes, it won't destroy the world forever, it'll just make our time very miserable. 

What you're saying, is Widewing, that if we took all of the cars and fuel-powered heaters out of the city, it wouldn't do anything against pollution?  If that is true, you're crazy.

You also said nothing about your little abiogenic oil idea, does this mean that you accept that we will run out of oil?  In that case, global warming or not, we will need to use what we have wisely.  Plastic lasts about 800 years, and can be recycled; making it a better move than just burning the oil.

If the sun will be more active, it just makes it worse.  You still haven't proven, cap, that we can't warm the planet.  Simply because the sun does, does not mean that we cannot.  Your whole point is a fallacy.

-Penguin

-Penguin

[CAP1]

Yes, it won't destroy the world forever, it'll just make our time very miserable. 

What you're saying, is Widewing, that if we took all of the cars and fuel-powered heaters out of the city, it wouldn't do anything against pollution?  If that is true, you're crazy.

You also said nothing about your little abiogenic oil idea, does this mean that you accept that we will run out of oil?  In that case, global warming or not, we will need to use what we have wisely.  Plastic lasts about 800 years, and can be recycled; making it a better move than just burning the oil.

If the sun will be more active, it just makes it worse.  You still haven't proven, cap, that we can't warm the planet.  Simply because the sun does, does not mean that we cannot.  Your whole point is a fallacy.

-Penguin

-Penguin

last first....and you haven't proven that we are.

pollution and smog.......do some research,....i think you'll find that cities like los angeles had smog long before there were cars, or skyscrapers there. it's got more to do with wind currents than anything.

 wait?? my point is fallacy>? so you're saying that the sun doesn't warm the planet????
 

 now, for plastic lasting 800 years.....go bury a plastic water bottle in your back yard. go check on it in a year, and let us know its condition. take before and after pics. if you truly believe plastic lasts 800 years, you may be in for a shock.

[Widewing]

What you're saying, is Widewing, that if we took all of the cars and fuel-powered heaters out of the city, it wouldn't do anything against pollution?  If that is true, you're crazy.

Where did I say that or anything even close?  

This has devolved into the special olympics equivalent of debating...

You repeatly insist that no one can disprove global warming. This is the same logic as someone saying that you cannot disprove reincarnation, or that one cannot disprove that Napoleon was gay, or blah, blah, blah.

If you want to debate, stop inventing things that no one said. If you want to debate, stick to verifiable facts. If you want to debate, at least come clean and admit that you're not a 13 year-old geek, but a fully grown fraud.


My regards,

Widewing

[Stoney]

This has devolved into the special olympics equivalent of debating...

If only we could find some "huggers"...

[bj229r]

Scientist steel cage match!

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/print.php?news.123

If I had a NICKEL for every time I heard the phrase "2500 scientists"...regarding MMGW....

Climate change science is in a period of ‘negative discovery’ - the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.

Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes. Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the Earth's orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.

We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific investigation.

Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:

   1. Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous centuries;
   2. Humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;
   3. Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;
   4. Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands and coastal communities;
   5. The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;
   6. Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;
   7. Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;
   8. Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the causes of those changes;
   9. Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;
  10. Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.



It is not the responsibility of ‘climate realist’ scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed ‘problem’, who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do so.

[Shuffler]

Yes, it won't destroy the world forever, it'll just make our time very miserable. 

What you're saying, is Widewing, that if we took all of the cars and fuel-powered heaters out of the city, it wouldn't do anything against pollution?  If that is true, you're crazy.

You also said nothing about your little abiogenic oil idea, does this mean that you accept that we will run out of oil?  In that case, global warming or not, we will need to use what we have wisely.  Plastic lasts about 800 years, and can be recycled; making it a better move than just burning the oil.

If the sun will be more active, it just makes it worse.  You still haven't proven, cap, that we can't warm the planet.  Simply because the sun does, does not mean that we cannot.  Your whole point is a fallacy.

-Penguin

-Penguin

So far there has been no proof of global warming. Humans can't be responsible for something not happening.

[Ripsnort]

For the record, personally I believe in Climate Change. It's been going on for millions of years. To think that humans can contribute enough to make a difference in the climate change is pure unadulterated arrogance.

[Masherbrum]

Where did I say that or anything even close?  

This has devolved into the special olympics equivalent of debating...

You repeatly insist that no one can disprove global warming. This is the same logic as someone saying that you cannot disprove reincarnation, or that one cannot disprove that Napoleon was gay, or blah, blah, blah.

If you want to debate, stop inventing things that no one said. If you want to debate, stick to verifiable facts. If you want to debate, at least come clean and admit that you're not a 13 year-old geek, but a fully grown fraud.


My regards,

Widewing

    So true.

[TwinEng]

I saw a program on the history channel recently about Hannibal's Army crossing the Alps 2,238 years ago.   This was long before there was any industrialization, and the earth's human population was only a tiny fraction of what it is now.

Yet, today, the passes through the Alps that Hannibal would of had to have used are all completely impassible, filled with huge ice glaciers.   The only way that Hannibal's army could of made it through the Alps back then right in the middle of winter was because the earth was simply far warmer then than it is now.   And the glaciers that now block these passes did not exist then.

See these articles about this:

http://www.articlesbase.com/environment-articles/climate-change-is-it-the-ongoing-evolution-of-earth-598357.html

http://ezinearticles.com/?Climate-Change-Part-3---Its-Happened-Before---Many-Times-in-Fact&id=1533419

Known facts like this, though, tend to simply be ignored by the Global Warming Doomsday Sayers.  Even right this week, the USA is suffering through one of its coldest winters in recent memory, with extremely cold temperatures and abnormally high levels of snow.

Global Warming just doesn't add up to me.

I think that much of the public is being had.

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[saggs]

I've noticed Al Gore now calls it the "Global Climate Crisis". What happened to Global Warming Al?

Maybe because it's freezing in Florida now.

This is why arguing with some global warming fanatics is so pointless;

Warmer = Global Warming
Cooler = Global Warming
More Precipitation = Global Warming
Less Precipitation = Global Warming
Floods = Global Warming
Drought = Global Warming
More Hurricanes = Global Warming
Less Hurricanes = Global Warming
More Tornadoes = Global Warming
Less Tornadoes = Global Warming
Arctic Ice Melting = Global Warming
Antarctic Ice Growing = Global Warming
Species thriving = Global Warming
Species facing extinction = Global Warming

I am a conservationist tree-hugger myself.  Humans DO have an impact on their environment, and we should do what we can to minimize it, and be good stewards of the land.  I am a certified Leave No Trace teacher, and backpacking guide.  I've seen numerous times the damage that just a few careless campers can have on a primitive landscape.  There are are serious environmental and ecological issues that we face, negative impacts we have had we should help fix.

But all that has been lost to (or taken over by) by the utter ridiculousness of "climate change" fear-mongering. 

Who is pushing for cap & trade and other ridiculous ideas that will do nothing to help the environment?  General Electric is for one, ask yourself, "Does GE really care about saving the planet?" or maybe it's about the Billions of dollars GE could make of carbon credits, and so-called "Green" energy.

Al Gore is, but...  you'd think if Al Gore really believed all the gloom and doom he preaches, he would at LEAST give up cheeseburgers, or his private jet, or his palatial home.  Al has done nothing to reduce his much, much larger than average carbon footprint.  So what's his real motivation for all his "Climate Crisis" fear-mongering?

Environmentalist need to forget all this "climate crisis" BS and go pack to real issues.  Whatever happened to "save the whales" and "save the Northern Spotted Owl"  or for pete's sake.

PS. it's -3 Fahrenheit midday here now, and I have to go work outside now.  I could sure go for some global warming right now.

[Penguin]

For the record, personally I believe in Climate Change. It's been going on for millions of years. To think that humans can contribute enough to make a difference in the climate change is pure unadulterated arrogance.

But to assume the opposite, that we are invincible, is equally dangerous.

-Penguin