Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Getback]

Not to worry to all you Global Warmest, As soon as the snow melts we will find Al Gore.

[Penguin]

the thing i find odd about that, is that it's not just in my back yard that it's cold. it's being reported as cold all over the place.

 when i look at weather, i'm not seeing anything any less predictable than normal either,.

Anecdotal, vague, but just homegrown enough to catch on...

Anyway, I guess neither side has been clean, but to call a conspiracy will need a bit more evidence.  The scientists forgot their purpose, and the opposition: Big Oil, Big Logging, let their purpose get in the way of seeing clearly.

I suppose both sides have some catching up to do.  Either way this climate was built by the slow and steady actions of cyanobacteria that added in oxygen, and the sun helping plants to grow.  Who knows, perhaps adding in CO₂ and methane will have a climate changing effect.  Until then, we should realize that oil isn't going to come back as quickly as we use it up, and should find ways to ease the load on it as fast as we can. 

Even if we are wrong, it's still a win-win; you get jobs, a new energy grid, and a new energy manufacturing system.  If you are right, the rewards are even greater.  Temperature might not even be the problem in the first place, adding all of those gases to the ocean don't make them dissapear, they will show up in the rain, eroding us like our stomachs erode food.

Undeniably, we have limited amounts of uranium, plutonnium, and other fossil fuels, and we can't rely on them forever.  Either we change now, or change quickly, and painfully later as we quite literally run out of gas.

-Penguin

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Anecdotal, vague, but just homegrown enough to catch on...

Anyway, I guess neither side has been clean, but to call a conspiracy will need a bit more evidence.  The scientists forgot their purpose, and the opposition: Big Oil, Big Logging, let their purpose get in the way of seeing clearly.

I suppose both sides have some catching up to do.  Either way this climate was built by the slow and steady actions of cyanobacteria that added in oxygen, and the sun helping plants to grow.  Who knows, perhaps adding in CO₂ and methane will have a climate changing effect.  Until then, we should realize that oil isn't going to come back as quickly as we use it up, and should find ways to ease the load on it as fast as we can. 

Even if we are wrong, it's still a win-win; you get jobs, a new energy grid, and a new energy manufacturing system.  If you are right, the rewards are even greater.  Temperature might not even be the problem in the first place, adding all of those gases to the ocean don't make them dissapear, they will show up in the rain, eroding us like our stomachs erode food.

Undeniably, we have limited amounts of uranium, plutonnium, and other fossil fuels, and we can't rely on them forever.  Either we change now, or change quickly, and painfully later as we quite literally run out of gas.

-Penguin

Which is all well and good BUT... If you are suggesting that a free market system would be too stupid to know what is good for itself and must be forced by the hand of government, you couldn't be more wrong.  Can you name one self-reliant necessary industry that was forced into prosperity by any government?

[CAP1]

Anecdotal, vague, but just homegrown enough to catch on...how so? weather reports are anecdotal?

Anyway, I guess neither side has been clean, but to call a conspiracy will need a bit more evidence.  The scientists forgot their purpose, and the opposition: Big Oil, Big Logging, let their purpose get in the way of seeing clearly.these scientistsas mentioned before) have quite a bit to gain by keeping this going. big oil companies will continue to make massive money regardless of what the outcome is.

I suppose both sides have some catching up to do.  Either way this climate was built by the slow and steady actions of cyanobacteria that added in oxygen, and the sun helping plants to grow.  Who knows, perhaps adding in CO₂ and methane will have a climate changing effect.  Until then, we should realize that oil isn't going to come back as quickly as we use it up, and should find ways to ease the load on it as fast as we can. 

Even if we are wrong, it's still a win-win; you get jobs, a new energy grid, and a new energy manufacturing system.  If you are right, the rewards are even greater.  Temperature might not even be the problem in the first place, adding all of those gases to the ocean don't make them dissapear, they will show up in the rain, eroding us like our stomachs erode food.you realize that you yourself will be taxed into oblivion due to this stuff, right?. and an fyi...our stomachs do not erode food.

Undeniably, we have limited amounts of uranium, plutonnium, and other fossil fuels, and we can't rely on them forever.  Either we change now, or change quickly, and painfully later as we quite literally run out of gas.

-Penguin

[Penguin]

(In response to CAP's words in red, in order of occurence)

1. No, but what you said was

2. That argument is self defeating, if the oil company has a money motive, of course you would see botched research at the least.  Not only that, but bad science happens in all fields, not just here (law of statistics).

3. That point is even more alarmist than what these scientists wrote.  You do realize that we are already heavily taxed to keep the long arm of Uncle Sam strong?  Yes, I know, but I just wanted to use the same word for effect.  If you want to nit-pick me on poetic liscence, this isn't the place for it.

-Penguin

[CAP1]

(In response to CAP's words in red, in order of occurence)

1. No, but what you said wasthis is what i said:::it's being reported as cold all over the place.
::: so if that was stated from seeing weather reports, again, how is it anecdotal?

2. That argument is self defeating, if the oil company has a money motive, of course you would see botched research at the least.  Not only that, but bad science happens in all fields, not just here (law of statistics).please explain how?

3. That point is even more alarmist than what these scientists wrote.  You do realize that we are already heavily taxed to keep the long arm of Uncle Sam strong?  Yes, I know, but I just wanted to use the same word for effect.  If you want to nit-pick me on poetic liscence, this isn't the place for it.i don't do this like this to nitpick. i don't know how to to multiple quotes, so i do this. and yes, as one that works about 80 hours a week, to pay taxes for schools that don't teach half of what they should, and about 3 times of what they shouldn't, crappy roads, un-educated and rude(for the most part) police officers, and other fun things, yes i do realize we're already heavily taxed. it's gonna get worse. a LOT worse.

-Penguin

[Penguin]

(In response to the words in red)

1. Sorry, you're wrong, you said:  The thing that I find odd about that is that it isn't just in my backyard, but that it's happening all over the place

I didn't see the word weather report anywhere around here.

2. That is simply a fundamental law of human nature and statistics, nobody's perfect, and eventually, given enough trials, somebody's going to do something that they will regret.  For more information, click this link http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=black+swan+paradox&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS347&aq=0sx&aqi=g-sx1&oq=Blakc+swan+para&fp=a048890d3c90c6fc

3. Alright, I see that I have pushed the wrong button here  .  I was talking about how I used eroded in those two scentences for poetic flow, and you nitpicked them.  If you are worried about the economy and all of that, so am I. In around 6-7 years I'm gonna be in college, and dang I hope that nothing happens to my parents' jobs.  As to the subject of schools, I guess you'll just have to tough it out.  I can't do anything about it right now.  If your town is making you mad, don't take it out on me. alright?

-Penguin

[CAP1]

(In response to the words in red)

1. Sorry, you're wrong, you said:  The thing that I find odd about that is that it isn't just in my backyard, but that it's happening all over the place

I didn't see the word weather report anywhere around here.

2. That is simply a fundamental law of human nature and statistics, nobody's perfect, and eventually, given enough trials, somebody's going to do something that they will regret.  For more information, click this link http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=black+swan+paradox&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS347&aq=0sx&aqi=g-sx1&oq=Blakc+swan+para&fp=a048890d3c90c6fc

3. Alright, I see that I have pushed the wrong button here  .  I was talking about how I used eroded in those two scentences for poetic flow, and you nitpicked them.  If you are worried about the economy and all of that, so am I. In around 6-7 years I'm gonna be in college, and dang I hope that nothing happens to my parents' jobs.  As to the subject of schools, I guess you'll just have to tough it out.  I can't do anything about it right now.  If your town is making you mad, don't take it out on me. alright?

-Penguin

quote my post with those words.

[Penguin]

the thing i find odd about that, is that it's not just in my back yard that it's cold. it's being reported as cold all over the place.

 when i look at weather, i'm not seeing anything any less predictable than normal either,.

There you go!

-Penguin

[CAP1]

the thing i find odd about that, is that it's not just in my back yard that it's cold. it's being reported as cold all over the place.

 when i look at weather, i'm not seeing anything any less predictable than normal either,.

for penguin.

[Penguin]

Hey, look, we did it in stereo!

-Penguin

[CAP1]

There you go!

-Penguin

you don't see that what you typed is different than what you said that i typed?

[Penguin]

See?  Ok, yes, I did paraphrase a bit, but you get what I was quoting (too lazy to go back and find it).

-Penguin

[Penguin]

Oh, shoot, I didn't see that word. My bad! 

EDIT: Anyway, the rest of the argument is still sound, there wasn't anything relating the three statements to each other.  So the debate rages on!  Can we make a rule not to double post, so that we can see what the other person is trying to say?  Because I put in that quote right after you put the next thing in, beating me to the punch.

-Penguin

[CAP1]

There you go!

-Penguin

i'm gonna put this nicely..........go back to school, and learn reading comprehension. then come back here.