Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Penguin]

Sorry, ok, I guess I misread the quote.  But anyway, I was an ace on those tests, I'm still one of the best in my grade.

Fine, I apologize, my bad, I didn't read your quote correctly and made an unfounded argument.  To put it nicely; happy now?

-Penguin

[Kev367th]

Intersting interview with Jones from the CRU.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

Just checked it again.
A whole section where Jones admits the reason he belives in AGW is because the models can't replicate it (not that the models could be wrong, or could be due to something else) has vanished or been re-written.
And you wonder why us skeptics think something stinks!!!!

Here is one of the CRU leading scientists admitting that only because the models can't replicate AGW it must be us, and it disappears.
I hope someone has it cached somewhere.

Here is the original blog entry were it is mentioned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm

Yes, it was originally there, it was only when I went back to get the exact words from the interview I realised it had been deleted. (bit like their original temperature records I guess)

[CAP1]

Intersting interview with Jones from the CRU.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

Just checked it again.
A whole section where Jones admits the reason he belives in AGW is because the models can't replicate it (not that the models could be wrong, or could be due to something else) has vanished or been re-written.
And you wonder why us skeptics think something stinks!!!!

Here is one of the CRU leading scientists admitting that only because the models can't replicate AGW it must be us, and it disappears.
I hope someone has it cached somewhere.

Here is the original blog entry were it is mentioned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8511670.stm

Yes, it was originally there, it was only when I went back to get the exact words from the interview I realised it had been deleted. (bit like their original temperature records I guess)

they moved, and "accidentally" threw it all in the trash

[bustr]

CAP1,

2. That is simply a fundamental law of human nature and statistics, nobody's perfect, and eventually, given enough trials, somebody's going to do something that they will regret.  For more information, click this link http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=black+swan+paradox&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS347&aq=0sx&aqi=g-sx1&oq=Blakc+swan+para&fp=a048890d3c90c6fc

If you understand the origion of the Black Swan paradox it is an easy way out for penguin by a cosmic league generalisation. Wait long enough and someone will screw up in the Oil industry and prove penguin correct.  Even if at this time the Oil industry has a 1000% honesty rate, eventualy someone will screw up and penguin will be validated. It's like the argument of God's existance. Scientific discoveries happen all the time. Just wait long enough and God will be discovered to not exist. We just have to get out of the way and allow how ever many generations of scientists to finally prove it.

It's a sophmoric debate team ploy to avoid revealing ones personal bias in the argument while moving the debate out of an area the speaker is weak in.

CAP why are you debating someone who lives with his parents and his only experience in life are based on excellent memory recall, an aptitiude for taking tests with it, and knows how to use the google search function? Have you ever looked at the Paradox of the Ravens? Its logic construct is long, well constructed and very stimulating to the logic bent. But in the end proves nothing other than the enjoyment of the mental exercise. After all a white handkerchief can be used to show that a Raven is black via generalised observation. Debate team tricks....................... ..

[CAP1]

CAP why are you debating someone who lives with his parents and his only experience in life are based on excellent memory recall, an aptitiude for taking tests with it, and knows how to use the google search function? Have you ever looked at the Paradox of the Ravens? Its logic construct is long, well constructed and very stimulating to the logic bent. But in the end proves nothing other than the enjoyment of the mental exercise. After all a white handkerchief can be used to show that a Raven is black via generalised observation. Debate team tricks....................... ..

basically in hopes of making him look up information, and actually learning something(since they seem to only teach poop in the schools today)

 heck.....when i visited my brother last month for my neices birthday, as much as i love them, i had to walk away from her a couple of times.(as opposed to hurting her feelings,,,,,she's 10).
 first, she tells me that their taking a collection at her school to help kids in haiti. all well and fine.....good to help others......but i very nicely asked her "if you want to help some kids, why not help some kids right here. you know there's kids here in your own hometown that've needed help for longer than them?" she looked at me like i had 2 heads, so i told her it was very nice, and changed the channel.

 then she starts talking to me in spanish......it turns out that spanish is required learning in her school?? other languages used to be elective. teaching our kids another language is a fantastic waste of time that could be used to teach them something they really need.
 


 dam....now i'm ranting......sorry guys.

[Wingnutt]

THe pro glopbal warming people are all pissed, because people keep pointing to the blizzards in the north (worst in decades)  and other non hot things as proof global warming is greatly exaggerated.


They say they you CANNOT point to a blizzard or one oddball thing and claim that disproves global warming.. its just one event.

the same people point to every mud slide, and hurricane as proof of global warming.  

 

[CAP1]

THe pro glopbal warming people are all pissed, because people keep pointing to the blizzards in the north (worst in decades)  and other non hot things as proof global warming is greatly exaggerated.


They say they you CANNOT point to a blizzard or one oddball thing and claim that disproves global warming.. its just one event.

the same people point to every mud slide, and hurricane as proof of global warming.  

 

ya...that's just human nature though. in the arenas, it's a ho when you face shoot me, but a hi angle deflection when i shoot you........go figure......

[Angus]

the thing i find odd about that, is that it's not just in my back yard that it's cold. it's being reported as cold all over the place.

 when i look at weather, i'm not seeing anything any less predictable than normal either,.

Look at the picture again..... It is NOT all over the place. In fact, the anomality is in the positive direction, not the negative one....

[Penguin]

basically in hopes of making him look up information, and actually learning something(since they seem to only teach poop in the schools today)

 heck.....when i visited my brother last month for my neices birthday, as much as i love them, i had to walk away from her a couple of times.(as opposed to hurting her feelings,,,,,she's 10).
 first, she tells me that their taking a collection at her school to help kids in haiti. all well and fine.....good to help others......but i very nicely asked her "if you want to help some kids, why not help some kids right here. you know there's kids here in your own hometown that've needed help for longer than them?" she looked at me like i had 2 heads, so i told her it was very nice, and changed the channel.

 then she starts talking to me in spanish......it turns out that spanish is required learning in her school?? other languages used to be elective. teaching our kids another language is a fantastic waste of time that could be used to teach them something they really need.
 


 dam....now i'm ranting......sorry guys.

Teaching another language is just what we need!  This generation is heading into a world where either:

A.) They will work white collar and will have to adapt to international climates

or

B.) Work Blue collar and have to deal with any mexican immigrants that happen upon them (nothing against them, it's just that there are tons of them)

Not only that, teaching another language helps you "get" English a heck of a lot better, since now you understand where a good 10-15% of our words came from (that's French for my case).  For example mansion (English)  and maison (French).

But back to the main point (oops, ranting up there).

Anyway, "1000% [100%]^sic" correctness just can't be true.  Somewhere along the line an error must be made.  Think of how unrealistic that is.  Over 150 years or so of oil drilling, and not one issue has come up?  I may be wrong though, I'll have to look this up later.

Two questions though guys, sophmoric, as in the year of highschool, or is this some other meaning of the term, like the meaning of automoronic (for one's own pleasure)?  Also, why are you guys bashing the schools?  I can't do anything about it!  But if you please, do tell me what the "poop" is, and what is missing from education?  I don't see anything wrong with it, but that's probably because I'm part of the system.  This is the first time something like this has come up for me, and I wish to know more about it (PM please, to keep reduce unnesecary debate on the forum about another hot-button issue).

-Penguin

[CAP1]

Teaching another language is just what we need!  This generation is heading into a world where either:

A.) They will work white collar and will have to adapt to international climatesin that instance, it should be their choice to learn another language.

or

B.) Work Blue collar and have to deal with any mexican immigrants that happen upon them (nothing against them, it's just that there are tons of them)in this instance, i will not attempt to understand one that lives in this country, and is not at least TRYING to learn english..

Not only that, teaching another language helps you "get" English a heck of a lot better, since now you understand where a good 10-15% of our words came from (that's French for my case).  For example mansion (English)  and maison (French).negative on that.

But back to the main point (oops, ranting up there).

Anyway, "1000% [100%]^sic" correctness just can't be true.  Somewhere along the line an error must be made.  Think of how unrealistic that is.  Over 150 years or so of oil drilling, and not one issue has come up?  I may be wrong though, I'll have to look this up later.

Two questions though guys, sophmoric, as in the year of highschool, or is this some other meaning of the term, like the meaning of automoronic (for one's own pleasure)?  Also, why are you guys bashing the schools?  I can't do anything about it!  But if you please, do tell me what the "poop" is, and what is missing from education?  I don't see anything wrong with it, but that's probably because I'm part of the system.  This is the first time something like this has come up for me, and I wish to know more about it (PM please, to keep reduce unnesecary debate on the forum about another hot-button issue).

-Penguin

as for what's missing from our education system?
things i hear.............some history, they seem to have dumbed down math, then the advanced math, gym, drivers ed(which i'm on the fence about, as i'd want to teach my own kid to drive...so i know that he can really handle the car)......i'll call my brother tomorrow if i get home before my neice goes to bed, and ask her what all they teach her. that'll give me more insight.

[Motherland]

as for what's missing from our education system?
things i hear.............some history, they seem to have dumbed down math, then the advanced math, gym, drivers ed(which i'm on the fence about, as i'd want to teach my own kid to drive...so i know that he can really handle the car)......i'll call my brother tomorrow if i get home before my neice goes to bed, and ask her what all they teach her. that'll give me more insight.

Education is done by the states for the most part of course so I can't speak for things in New Jersey, only for what goes on across the Delaware, though I can't imagine it's that much different. Just some things I noticed in your posts. Another thing is that I go to a public school (which I am told scores in the bottom 5% of schools in Pennsylvania) so I can't speak for private schools.

first, she tells me that their taking a collection at her school to help kids in haiti. all well and fine.....good to help others......but i very nicely asked her "if you want to help some kids, why not help some kids right here. you know there's kids here in your own hometown that've needed help for longer than them?" she looked at me like i had 2 heads, so i told her it was very nice, and changed the channel.

The whole time I've been going to school we've had canned food drives, pennies for patients, etc. intermittently throughout the year. She probably has the same kinds of programs in her own school and just didn't understand you. I can't imagine a school not having those kinds of programs.

then she starts talking to me in spanish......it turns out that spanish is required learning in her school?? other languages used to be elective. teaching our kids another language is a fantastic waste of time that could be used to teach them something they really need.

Does she go to a private school, or a public one?
At all of the Catholic/'exclusive' schools around here, from what I gather from my friends who attend them, foreign language starts in elementary school, is mandatory, and is Spanish. I know that this continues through 8th grade and I think all of the private High Schools around here only offer Spanish, I don't know if it's mandatory at that level, though.
In the public schools, in 7th grade (provided you don't have to take remedial reading, so only about half of the class ) you take a 'survey' of all of the offered languages (French, Spanish, German, and Latin), each for one quarter and then from 8th grade forward you are allowed to take any of these languages as electives (and more than one if your schedule allows).

negative on that.

Taking German for three years so far actually has helped me understand the way that English works in a technical manner better. I would imagine it's the scientific (rather than natural like when you learn a language as a child) approach to teaching the new language that does this than any kind of relation to your native tongue.

[CAP1]

Education is done by the states for the most part of course so I can't speak for things in New Jersey, only for what goes on across the Delaware, though I can't imagine it's that much different. Just some things I noticed in your posts. Another thing is that I go to a public school (which I am told scores in the bottom 5% of schools in Pennsylvania) so I can't speak for private schools.
The whole time I've been going to school we've had canned food drives, pennies for patients, etc. intermittently throughout the year. She probably has the same kinds of programs in her own school and just didn't understand you. I can't imagine a school not having those kinds of programs.
Does she go to a private school, or a public one?
At all of the Catholic/'exclusive' schools around here, from what I gather from my friends who attend them, foreign language starts in elementary school, is mandatory, and is Spanish. I know that this continues through 8th grade and I think all of the private High Schools around here only offer Spanish, I don't know if it's mandatory at that level, though.
In the public schools, in 7th grade (provided you don't have to take remedial reading, so only about half of the class ) you take a 'survey' of all of the offered languages (French, Spanish, German, and Latin), each for one quarter and then from 8th grade forward you are allowed to take any of these languages as electives (and more than one if your schedule allows).
Taking German for three years so far actually has helped me understand the way that English works in a technical manner better. I would imagine it's the scientific (rather than natural like when you learn a language as a child) approach to teaching the new language that does this than any kind of relation to your native tongue.

i am actually glad to hear your school does those things.

i don't think that public schools are bad....at least they didn't used to be.

my niece goes to a public school.....thankfully.

over on another board, there is always a bunch of poop going on about the public vs private schools.

the thing i find funny(funny weird, not funny haha), is that in our neighborhood, a group of us as kids, only one went to private school, and he's been a policeman for the last 10 years. a noble profession, but after all this time, he's still only a patrolman.
 one of my classmates just retired......as a detective. his brother was the chief.
 the rest of us from the neighborhood either own our own business's, or are in upper management jobs.

 now...back to the subject. 

[Penguin]

Oh screw the debate!

Reminiscing about old times (you guys) and complaining about school (me) is much more fun than this!

But my mind wouldn't rest should I leave the debate without being beaten.  Hmmm, I'm too tired right now to post anything constructive.  So, just for laughs I'll satirize both sides of the debate as best as I can:

I'll start with my side first!



Hey man, want some funky dreams with that Prius?

And now you guys:



This is my truck, this is my gun, both can kill, but only one let's me get away with it

No harm intended guys, just for laughs and to liven the mood.  Since you know, who likes being serious all the time?  Do that and you end up like this guy!



 
-Penguin

[CAP1]

read and enjoy.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/02/14/scientist-admits-there-has-been-no-global-warming-since-1995/

[Penguin]

Too tired to read, too tired to fight.  Leaving this for tommorow.  I hope you're not going to hit me when I can't hit back.  Good night CAP!

-Penguin