Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[Flipperk]

 I think the earth is fine, its just the humans that need to worry 

[CptTrips]

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Nice deflection.

Wab

[Kev367th]

Could one of the pro MMGW posters please inform me of what the claim is specifically?
Have read most of the posts on this topic and it seems that there are some implied claims.

In MMGW is the claim that man is responsible 100% for it, or is it a natural earth cycle and man has what percent part in it?

Also is the claim that co2 causing the  heating of  the atmosephere and then doing what heating the water? Is there anyother part to the claim? A, B or C is heating the earth also?

What kind of temperature are we talking about 1degree in 10 years or 1/4 a degree in a hundred?

Thanks.

Claim is simple -
None of the current climate models can account for the current warming therefore we have to be responsible for it. Mind you the models can't replicate the two other warming periods since 1850 either!

In fact the climate models have failed miserably, they also predicted lower amounts of snowfall (specifically), yet now the AGW promoters are claiming this period of snowfall is expected. They want it both ways.

The amount of heating depends on who you believe, Al baby, the IPCC, or the skeptics.

Good analogy - If you were to walk 1km, the last 12mm would represent the amount of CO2 added by man to the atmosphere.

[CAP1]

Claim is simple -
None of the current climate models can account for the current warming therefore we have to be responsible for it. Mind you the models can't replicate the two other warming periods since 1850 either!

In fact the climate models have failed miserably, they also predicted lower amounts of snowfall (specifically), yet now the AGW promoters are claiming this period of snowfall is expected. They want it both ways.

The amount of heating depends on who you believe, Al baby, the IPCC, or the skeptics.

Good analogy - If you were to walk 1km, the last 12mm would represent the amount of CO2 added by man to the atmosphere.

careful there you militant you.

[Penguin]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

I SWEAR MY FREAKIN' HEAD IS GONNA EXPLODE!!!!!

I'M TALKING ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING NOT POLLUTION!!!

get it through your head that
THEY ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUES!!

See my previous posts like 30 pages ago in this same thread, I AM A TREE-HUGGER, GLOBAL WARMING DENIER.

And the blasted cute and fuzzy, baby seal eating Polar Bears are NOT DYING, there are more of them now then ever before in the past 50 yrs.

And if you don't get that idling my SUV for 3 hrs is a joke then heaven help you.  

Oh, I give up, yes, YES, YES let's throw trillions of dollars at a problem that does not exist, and which we could not stop even if it did.

Ok, calm down, calm down.  My bad.

-Penguin

[Kev367th]

careful there you militant you.

LOL.

Interesting 1.5hr presentation by a self admitted skeptic just highlighting some of the AGW problems.


http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/01/catastrophe-denied-the-science-of-the-skeptics-position.html?gclid=CM7Vo9rBhqACFQ2Y2AodxmV2mQ

Not 100% accurate, but then again neither is 'the other side'.

[CAP1]

LOL.

Interesting 1.5hr presentation by a self admitted skeptic just highlighting some of the AGW problems.


http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/01/catastrophe-denied-the-science-of-the-skeptics-position.html?gclid=CM7Vo9rBhqACFQ2Y2AodxmV2mQ

Not 100% accurate, but then again neither is 'the other side'.

cool.....ill check that out when i get home.

none of us are really accurate. the difference is in who can and who cannot admit it.

[Penguin]

You have a point there.  Nobody can be 100% accurate in anything except that they are going to die at some point.

-Penguin

[Kev367th]

You have a point there.  Nobody can be 100% accurate in anything except that they are going to die at some point.

-Penguin

Speak for yourself, I'm gonna live forever 

[CAP1]

Speak for yourself, I'm gonna live forever 

+1


i am invincible.




















till the day they stick me in the ground.   oo...wait....it'll be underwater from all the melting glaziers.......

[Selino631]

I have been avoiding this thread because i don't care for the issue on Global Warming, but how the hell did it get to 103 pages!?  

[Terror]

Damn 103 pages!  Now that is a thread that I MUST participate...

Global Climate CHANGE is the only thing I can agree on here.

The climate will change no matter if humans are influencing it or not....  It just is!

T

[Sonicblu]

Hmmm i didnt get a specific claim yet. I understands all the overgeneralizations. Its you just can't debate them. Read lots of articals one out of a hundred make a specific claim the rest are. the earth is getting " warmer". how warm is what I want to know.

the earth is warming by 1.2 degrees in 50 years. yet they havent seen one sixth of that yet. My question is how can you measure that?

How can you acurately measure less than 1/4 of a degree worldwide?

Then 1/4 warmer compared to what? 60 years of tempuratures the have flucuated more than that.

See my previous post you can't heat the earths water 1 degree with air if you wanted too. There just isn't enough air in the atmosphere to do it.

Fill a bathtub with water and blow hot air on it. Let me know how long it takes to heat the water in the tub 1 degree?

[E25280]

CAP...

Do YOU know what it is?  Specifically why it's so important?  Do you know the bonding angles? The hybridization of the electron orbitals?  The net dipole movement?  Could you draw the orbital structure?  Could you say anything that you aren't regurgitating?

No, you can't.  But somehow you think your opinion is equal to people that have spent 20 years in the field with multiple PhD's.  It's like a 15 year old girl telling you how to change an alternator, because she saw a CHILTON diagram once..

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We had the "Enlightenment".  This time will be called the "Return to Darkness".

And right here you just demonstrate once again the pomposity of the alarmists.  All us "leetle peeple" just can't possibly fathom all the intricacies of your arguments, so we should all just shut up and kow-tow to the people with the PhD's.

Someone with a PhD is certainly not above having his own personal agenda.  To claim otherwise is the either the height of arrogance or complete ignorance.  And a liar with a PhD is still a liar.

This entire thread began because that very pomposity and the hidden agendas of those who are supposed to be keepers of the data were exposed in spades.  You don't need a PhD to recognize when a scammer is scamming.

[CAP1]

And right here you just demonstrate once again the pomposity of the alarmists.  All us "leetle peeple" just can't possibly fathom all the intricacies of your arguments, so we should all just shut up and kow-tow to the people with the PhD's.

Someone with a PhD is certainly not above having his own personal agenda.  To claim otherwise is the either the height of arrogance or complete ignorance.  And a liar with a PhD is still a liar.

This entire thread began because that very pomposity and the hidden agendas of those who are supposed to be keepers of the data were exposed in spades.  You don't need a PhD to recognize when a scammer is scamming.

but did you notice the silence after my answer? the very loud silence?