They are expensive, but I'm looking at it this way, here in Australia, I paid near $400 for the Cougar, the simpeds will cost $226 plus delivery, and I'm set for life then, all I'll need is new pots for the cougar every once in a while (or get the hall sensor mod done), plus, I can knock burglars out with the Cougar

Doesn't help me get kills (even after 6 months on the HOTAS, I still think I'd get more kills using my old MS twisty, saw me through 8 years and lotsa kills), but feels great to fly with <g>
Steely