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Offline Die Hard

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #120 on: December 04, 2009, 02:29:22 AM »
Quote from: Strip on December 03, 2009, 04:55:21 PM
I have fired at the front windshield, more than once in fact, had them go out the back windshield afterward once or twice.

CZ75 firing standard FMJ....

Strip

Thank you for clearing up this little issue.  :aok
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #121 on: December 04, 2009, 02:52:51 AM »
The estimated speed for a bullet to enter your body is about 216 km/h. Now it would be interesting to know what the terminal velocity is for a bullet, but I wager it is more then the terminal velocity of a draggy human body, which happens to be about 200 km/h
So, a 9 mill falling from a couple of thousand feet will indeed hurt you...
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #122 on: December 04, 2009, 03:07:29 AM »
Define hurt...

Mythbusters calculated the terminal velocity of a 9mm FMJ at 150 ft/sec. When fired at a similar speed at a pig the bullet failed to break the skin. A similar test showed a 30-06 barely broke the skin before falling to the ground. While not exactly hard science their results are at least representative. Pain perhaps, injury would be unlikely unless if caught you in the eye.

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #123 on: December 04, 2009, 04:00:21 AM »
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2009, 07:58:55 AM »
as they stated in the show and as was stated before in this thread there is a big difference between shooting a bullet out of a gun and dropping one from a balloon ...

the TV would be very different from a bullet that never stopped flying compared one shot straight up so that it reaches 0 speed and then tumbles no longer stabilized by it's rotation or dropped out of a ballon never having been fired out of a gun in the first place.

under those conditions even some peoples beloved .50cal would fair little better than the Luger TV wise ...

 

Quote from: Strip on December 04, 2009, 03:07:29 AM
Define hurt...

Mythbusters calculated the terminal velocity of a 9mm FMJ at 150 ft/sec. When fired at a similar speed at a pig the bullet failed to break the skin. A similar test showed a 30-06 barely broke the skin before falling to the ground. While not exactly hard science their results are at least representative. Pain perhaps, injury would be unlikely unless if caught you in the eye.

Strip
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2009, 08:45:49 AM »
Quote from: Die Hard on December 03, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Have you actually shot a 9mm at a windshield and not penetrated?

Yes.  I thought that would have been clear from my statement.
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2009, 09:01:33 AM »
Well, it wasn't.

While I don't want to imply that you're lying, I still find that I have a hard time believing that a 9mm FMJ won't penetrate every time at normal pistol ranges. Perhaps a HP will expand when hitting the laminated glass and fail to penetrate. I don't know.
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2009, 11:08:53 AM »
Quote from: Strip on November 30, 2009, 05:16:50 PM
Everybody is falling over themselves to answer the original question....

I propose better question....WHY BOTHER?

Strip
thats the problem with all these "experts"
They always over analyze things on here.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2009, 01:47:36 AM »
Quote from: Strip on December 03, 2009, 11:59:49 PM
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2009, 02:00:16 AM »
Quote from: Bodhi on December 01, 2009, 03:00:59 PM
Lotta experts in here on bullets, their stats, and penetration abilities.  I wonder how many have actually shot a 9MM for any amount of time??
everyone in here is an expert.  :rolleyes:
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2009, 02:16:36 AM »
Bodhi,

I reloaded and fired over 10,000 9mm Luger rounds in a month when I was only 15. At the time I was shooting ISPC and IDPA with a ported Glock 24C. I was hot loading 115 grain bullets with Accurate 7 powder. I forget how many grains I was loading at the time, it was a lot though. Did the same thing with .40 S&W, firing 140 grain hollow points with around 10 grains of Accurate 9. The .40 S&W through the ported barrel was like a .45 firing +P loads. When that went off you knew it, ton of concussion on your face. Would shoot smoke stacks from the slow burning powder, muzzle didn't flip an ounce. At the indoor range we shot at people could tell it was me running the course.

Good times....

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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2009, 11:50:34 AM »
I've reloaded many thousands of 9mm, 38 SPL and .357 Mag. Testing shot counters for the INS, we put 12,000 Remington Golden Saber +P .40 S&W through two Berettas in less than a week (that really wasn't fun at all). Both suffered failures (broken slide and a front sight fell off). We fired at a local indoor range. The owner was stunned when a truck pulled up and delivered a pallet of ammo. He wasn't completely unhappy... We let him keep the brass.

I like the 9mm cartridge for plinking, but I believe it to be marginal as a people stopper. I prefer the .357 Mag for revolvers and .45 ACP for semi-autos. In between those and the 9mm, I would not be unhappy with the .40 S&W, it is a stellar round. I also like the .38 Super. It doesn't like me though... I collected a .38 Super ricochet at a match. It hit steel, came almost straight back and hit me just above my lower right rib. The mangled round cut through my flannel shirt, t-shirt and penetrated flesh to the rib. One rib was fractured, another badly bruised. A trip to the hospital and a police report later, I was sent home. I was sore for a few weeks, as one could imagine. Another time, a ricochet whacked my ankle. Badly bruised.... Limped for a week. I'm sure Strip has seen his share of dings occurring at the range. Spend enough time on an indoor a pistol range, and you'll get dinged a few times. That's why shooting glasses are a must.


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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2009, 12:09:44 PM »
Among wife's many odd jobs was an armored car driver--they were specifically prohibited from using 9's as their sidearm, had to be either 10mm, .40, or 3fitty7 (she went with the .40 Glock (model 22 I think), an admirable fashion accessory if ever there was one :aok)
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2009, 12:53:08 PM »
I'm still scratching my head about our armed forces going to the M9 Baretta and not keeping the .45 ACP as their preferred sidearm.
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Re: Would a 9mm pistol round bounce?
« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2009, 04:58:39 PM »
Somehow I get the feeling that many here think the 9mm is a toy and you're safe from it in a 50 yards sprint. And still, I drop 1000 lb's bulls with a shot through NOT the thinnest part of the skull with a mere .22.
Shoot a lot at targets and say a lot, but from my odd years of killing stock with a total plinker I'd not like to be on the receiving end of a Luger....even a minute away.
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