He-111

[morfiend]

Because it was a workhorse bomber? Because 6,500 were built? Because it saw combat from 1938-1945? Because it was one of the iconic German bombers of the Battle of Britain?

Because Germany only has 1 medium bomber in the current set? Because the Ju 88 is too fast for BoB scenarios? Because some of us would just like another German bomber to fly?

Maybe just because it's plain sexy?
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  Bubi,dont hold back tell him what you realy think...

 

   

[2ADoc]

I fully agree with the HE-111, or the Casa, but if they decide to add it, they do need to add a far forward CG as all german transports had a forward CG.  That way the aircraft were balanced in flight.  When the HE-111 and the Casa landed the pilots had to be very gentle on the breaks, otherwise they would end up on the nose.  it is very embarrasing.  I saw it happen at an Airshow one year.  But my vote is YES for the HE-11 and CASA.

[sparow]

+ 1 Bring the He-111, please.

Note: the Do-17 would be nice too... but we need the G4M more... and the SM-79, the Petlyakov and... better stop... 

Cheers,

[Krusty]

Motherland had a good post, until he said "it's plain sexy" -- after which he had a GREAT POST!

 

2adoc: I think casa's were postwar productions, like the S-199. The CASA 2.111 (as it was called) was also butt-ugly with those replacement engines....

[Mustang T]

+1 till the end of time. The 111 is my favorite German Bomber.

[bravoa8]

+1 He-111 was like a 110 and a Ju88 in one the later versions had big cannons.

[trigger2]

+ 1 Bring the He-111, please.

Note: the Do-17 would be nice too... but we need the G4M more... and the SM-79, the Petlyakov and... better stop... 

Cheers,

+1

Note: The Dornier Do.217 would be more beneficial.

[Krusty]

+1

Note: The Dornier Do.217 would be more beneficial.

I disagree...

AH's "must have!" list of level bombers:

He111H (nuff said)
G4M Betty bomber (nuff said)
G3M Nell bomber (early war Japanese bomber, front line bomber for the first year)
Ju188 (1943+ nuff said)
Ju88A-1 (BOB-era, slower, less power, 1 less gun, different length wingspan)
Vickers Wellington
Handley Page Halifax

The 217 doesn't really play "much" of a part compared to many others.

[trigger2]

The 217 doesn't really play "much" of a part compared to many others.

The Do 217 could be easily used in EW, MW and LW, as well as special events (Dieppe, Normandy, MTO (sinking of the Roma).
Don't forget that there are no really competitive axis buffs in LW, if you have a German Iron squad you have to stick to a very slow and almost defensless bomber.

 

[Krusty]

217 wouldn't be EW. Wouldn't really do much in LW.

Hence Ju188 being on the list, for 1943+ LW bomber needs.


EDIT: actually, depending on version it would be EW. Still didn't do much IMO. Had a completely unmemorable war record... Wiped out in massive numbers with very little results most times after BOB. Flew many maritime convoy duties, many recon, many night fighte roles, but as a bomber (the original design) it wasn't as predominant as you might think.

[trigger2]

217 wouldn't be EW. Wouldn't really do much in LW.

Hence Ju188 being on the list, for 1943+ LW bomber needs.

Designed in 1937 and 1938, its design was refined and production began in 1940. It entered service in 1941 and by the beginning of 1942 was available in significant numbers.

It's also faster (by about 20 mph) and can carry more bombs (by about 2,000lbs) than the JU188.

[Krusty]

Design dates mean almost nothing.

You didn't see them flying around dropping bombs on much for a while. They dropped a lot of bombs on shipping, and deployed a number of guided bombs/glider bombs against various ships...

But as far as bombing goes, they really weren't seen lugging bombs to targets like the Ju88, Ju188, He111, etc....

[Bruv119]

yes i would like to shoot it down with a hurri / spit 1 

Other bombers that are needed TU-2 /  G4M2.   

[trigger2]

Design dates mean almost nothing.
You didn't see them flying around dropping bombs on much for a while. They dropped a lot of bombs on shipping, and deployed a number of guided bombs/glider bombs against various ships...
But as far as bombing goes, they really weren't seen lugging bombs to targets like the Ju88, Ju188, He111, etc....

Is this what you mean?

By the summer, 1940 the Luftwaffe had been using the Dornier Do 18, Heinkel He 115, Heinkel He 59, Heinkel He 111 and Junkers Ju 88 in maritime operations in the Baltic. At this point, the Ju 88 and He 111 equipped units were ordered to cease providing maritime support en masse. Instead, the Luftwaffe returned to the idea of the Do 217 and its floatplane version as a specialized naval attack aircraft. At the same time more plans were in place to produce extremely long-range aircraft (probably for operations deep in the Soviet Union). It is possible that the data sheet which Dornier gave the designation Do 217G was a part of that project. Unlike the Sea Stuka, floatplane, the G was to carry an MG 151 mounted in the nose and three MG 15s fitted for defence. The G was expected to reach 14,900 kilograms (33,000 lb). It was still designed for a crew of four and equipped with sprung floats which would allow the aircraft to land in rough open seas. The G could also carry the entire variation of the E-1 bomb load it could carry a load twice that of the Do P 85 aircraft. Unfortunately, the Do 217E-1s performance was favoured. Nevertheless, the Gs design features figured and influenced the E-4 which went into production as the aircraft that would become the backbone of the Luftwaffe's Battle of the Atlantic bomber fleet.

It also so service in nearly every front of the war. Some of the major battles/operations it was in are as follows:
Operation Barbarossa

Operation Barbarossa (German: Unternehmen Barbarossa) was the code name for Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II that began on 22 June 1941.

Dieppe raid
Battle of the Atlantic (1939–1945)
Operation Steinbock
Battle of Normandy
Battle of the Mediterranean
Operation Torch
Allied invasion of Sicily
Italian Campaign

And the Defense of the Reich

The Defence of the Reich is the name given to the strategic defensive aerial campaign fought by the German Luftwaffe over German occupied Europe and Nazi Germany itself during the Second World War. Its aim was to prevent the destruction of German military and civil industries by the Western Allies. The daylight and night air struggles over Germany during war involved thousands of aircraft, dozens of units, and hundreds of aerial engagements to counter the Allied strategic bombing campaign. The campaign was the longest sustained in the history of aerial warfare. Along with the Battle of the Atlantic it was the longest campaign during 1939-1945. The Luftwaffe's fighter force (Jagdwaffe), defended the airspace of German occupied territory against attack, first by RAF Bomber Command, and then Bomber Command and the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) together.

[2ADoc]

The CAF had both a Casa and a Heinkle and if you put both of them side by side it was hard to tell the difference, The apu jack was in a different place and the widows were a little different.  They were real close though.