The Shiden, from a man who flew it :)

[GRUNHERZ]

Niki is highly loaded Funked????? Cmon funked if its so highly loaded vs the Zero how come I can outturn bout 3/4 zeros ive fought in MA and TA?

SOB, which one of those books said Niki can pull reverses with almost no E-loss, zoom climb to  hover then get full control for level flight and more climb just by pushing over elevator, which one of those books said Niki has decided climb advantage over P51D at 28K- cause the one AH can sure do all these things? Ive done all all this in the two 2 tours when I flew niki most-  I know niki if ur favorite ride for long time SOB and thats cool but something happend to NIKI FM in version 1.04 something that drove it from an almost unknown plane to being the scourge of MA almost overnight. It and mebbe chog benefited way more than any other plane from 1.04 changes. If the 1.04 changes just made all planes turn better by equal margin then all should havbe been same as before.  

But something got added to nikis ability to go vertical, I still remember the first day of 1.04 when i tried to rope a niki from dive in my 109 the damn thing just kept coming up and up and up and it wouldnt stall or stop climbing. Thats the only thig i think is wierd or UFO like abot the niki it can climb like it doesnt need airspeed to pull nose up, it can loop at virtualY no speed, it hovers almost at will, even firing guns at hover doesnt stall it, it has no spin behavior whatsover, it can pull endless loops right after takeoff- REALLY IS THIS THE BEHAVIOR OF A PLANE WITH TREACHEROUS FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS?

[SOB]

Well, actually the Niki hasn't been my favorite ride since 1.05 when I discovered the fun of .50 cals in the F6F.  Then I went back to the P51D and now the P51B.  What I don't care for is the constant whining and squeaking without any data or facts to back up the posts.

I posted data.  You think the Niki is diddlyed up and want it changed, then test it and see if it matches the data.  Zig's got an Excel worksheet that you can just plug the numbers into...I don't know how the heck it works, but maybe it'll help you.  Hell, if you were serious enough about it, you could probably email Pyro and get him to read this thread and give you his opinion of the numbers I posted & if they match his data (which would, I'm sure, be more reliable than mine).

Or, you can just continue to spew the same old rhetoric over and over again.  That's certainly an option for you, but it's simply annoying and doesn't accomplish anything.

Why can you outturn 75% of the zekes you meet in the arenas?  Because you're a good pilot & know how to run the Niki to it's extremes and the folks you meet in the Zeke either aren't or don't or both.

Other than that, I'm done arguing about it.  I really don't care if a few of you don't like it, particularly if you're not willing to put the time in to add anything productive to the discussion.  Jekyll, your post approached that, but one pilot's (even a great pilot's) opinion of the aircraft is just that, an opinion about an aircraft he flew how much?  Flew in combat?  Flew anything but prototypes?


SOB

[Sundog]

I can relate to what funked is saying because the Japanese thought the same thing about the Ki-44. As for wing loading, you don't need a high wing loading to go fast. Also, something else missing from AH is the nasty stall in the 190. According to my reading, there was virtually no stall warning in the 190, and I receive plenty of warning before the 190 stalls here. As for the N1K2, I often wondered if the amazing turns we see aren't a simulation of the automatic maneuvering flaps with which it was equipped. And the 109 in AH handles much too easily on the ground compared to the real 109 (Based on reading..and the fact that I have cracked up a lot more Corsairs then 109s on the ground here, when in reality, 1/3 of all 109 losses were reportedly due to ground handling accidents).

Of course, I doubt we will see completely accurate flight characteristics here, because, as HiTech has said before, how do you give the proper 'feedback' to the sim pilot for some of these effects. And, just for proof, I remember when HTC added prop strikes (Which I thought were very cool) but instead of learning to keep the planes from making prop strikes during take off and landing, many people whined about it, so it was removed. What really needs to be understood is that HTC is most likely trying to balance the planes such that they each 'shine' in a specific part of the FM (While 'respecting' their historical data) to keep one type from dominating the arena like a UFO..er N1K2 and C'Hog...did I say C'Hog?    

I guess what I am really saying is lets separate AH planes from the real planes. Using real data will only get us into trouble with regard to every plane here due to playability reasons. Having said that, yes the N1K2 is a UFO! I think it uses some form of Electro Magnetic Field Device to keep it from losing E in a turn and maintaining ungodly amounts of E in a zoom climb. But that's all classified, so you didn't hear it from me.

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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
MAG-33

'Criticism is always easier than craftmanship.'

[This message has been edited by Sundog (edited 03-25-2001).]

[SOB]

 

Originally posted by Sundog:
I think it uses some form of Electro Magnetic Field Device to keep it from losing E in a turn and maintaining ungodly amounts of E in a zoom climb. But that's all classified, so you didn't hear it from me.

Dammit Sundog, I warned you about releasing this information to the public.  Sit tight and don't resist.  "They" will be there to collect you shortly.  

[GRUNHERZ]

Gotcha, SOB! I knew u were part of the niki conspiracy.   hehe

[Tac]

I think I bumped into an ejected warp core and was caught on its explosion when it breached.

ZZZAAP!

[Karnak]

GRUNHERZ,
I can't answer your question about out turning Zeros when you're flying the N1K2, but for my part I love to see N1K2s when I'm flying the Zero.  They ALWAYS try to turn with me and when they do that, they die.  In my experience the Zero will go from having the N1K2 on its tail to being in firing position on the N1K2 in 3-4 turns.

BTW,
Funked wasn't saying that the N1K2 was a high wingload aircraft, he was saying that it was a higher wingload aircraft than the A6M2 in which Sakai did most of his flying.

Funked,
In a different thread you stated that the A7M2 Reppu was a piece of junk.  Everything I have read says that the A7M1 with the Homare engine was bad, but when it was given the more powerful Mitsubishi Ha-43 it was great.  Saburo Sakai said that the Reppu was fantastic.  Where have you read that the A7M2 was junk?

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Citabria]

Grunherz flies the n1k2 with 1/4 fuel. he says it lasts forever.

perhaps fuel burn and weight is the problem with the n1k2 eh?  

maybe many if not all of these ufo n1k2s are also in low fuel turn better than a zero dweeb mode  

[Karnak]

I fly the Zero with 1/4 fuel.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Citabria]

I always flew with 100% fuel and will continue to do so when I have time to start playing this addictive game again  

(pats self on back)

[Vermillion]

The reason you can fly the N1K2-J for a long time on 25% fuel is that it was a very long range fighter. If I remember correctly something like 1,000-1,100 Nautical Miles.

Its just the same as you can do it in a P-51D.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[SOB]

 

Range normal-1,066 st miles (926naut miles) max-1,488 st miles (1,293naut miles)

[This message has been edited by SOB (edited 03-26-2001).]

[funked]

PS  You guys do know that the version of "Samurai" translated into English by Saito and embellished by Martin "The Great Exaggerator" Caidin has been thoroughly discredited by people who have read the original Japanese text?

[Sundog]

Wow!
I didn't know that funked. Of course I wasn't quoting it, but I read it a LONG time ago. Seriously, what would you recommend for reading on Sakai? Something in english please   .

CC, On miss understanding Funked's comment Karnak. Thanks.

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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
MAG-33

'Criticism is always easier than craftmanship.'

[Jekyll]

Interesting funked.. I certainly was not aware of this.  BTW do you have any references to his 'exaggerations'?

Now, does this mean that the following books are also BS?

1960 A Torch to the Enemy (the fire raid on Tokyo), Ballantine
1964 Everything But The Flak (about the B-17), Meredith Press (Popular Library pb)
1968 Flying Forts: The B-17 in World War II, Meredith
1968 Me109: Willy Messerschmitt's Peerless Fighter, Ballantine
1971 Fork-Tailed Devil: The P-38, Ballantine
1956 Zero! (w M. Okumiya & J. Horikoshi), E. P. Dutton & Co.
1957 The Zero Fighter (w M. Okumiya & J. Horikoshi), E. P. Dutton & Co
1958 Thunderbolt!, by Robert S. Johnson (w Martin Caidin), the Fabulous U.S. 56th Fighter Group, Rinehart
1966 The Ragged, Rugged Warriors (aerial WW II in the Pacific), E. P. Dutton & Co.

Be nice to know that if anyone posts any comments or extracts from the above that we can immediately ignore any opinions contained therein  


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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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