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So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hadron Collider?
« on: December 03, 2009, 06:24:14 PM »
Here is a linky:
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html
"Our understanding of the Universe is about to change...
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a gigantic scientific instrument near Geneva, where it spans the border between Switzerland and France about 100 m underground. It is a particle accelerator used by physicists to study the smallest known particles – the fundamental building blocks of all things. It will revolutionise our understanding, from the minuscule world deep within atoms to the vastness of the Universe.

Two beams of subatomic particles called 'hadrons' – either protons or lead ions – will travel in opposite directions inside the circular accelerator, gaining energy with every lap. Physicists will use the LHC to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang, by colliding the two beams head-on at very high energy. Teams of physicists from around the world will analyse the particles created in the collisions using special detectors in a number of experiments dedicated to the LHC.

There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions, but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator, as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe. For decades, the Standard Model of particle physics has served physicists well as a means of understanding the fundamental laws of Nature, but it does not tell the whole story. Only experimental data using the higher energies reached by the LHC can push knowledge forward, challenging those who seek confirmation of established knowledge, and those who dare to dream beyond the paradigm."

My two cents,
I think, if it works, it is really going to change the way we see our world now. They are looking for subatomic particle that go faster than the speed of light, and as far as we know, nothing can go faster than the speed of light. It would also explain gravity, and how it works, which then we can make laws to get around gravity and in return, make us go faster than we ever thought we could.
They have had a lot of problems though, for one, a magnet bursted from all of the pressure and was down for a couple of months. They tried it again and a bird droped a piece of bagel into one of the exaust ports, and the bagel super heated, and overheated the collieder.
The last time they tried it, which I believe was tuesday, the made the most powerful energy sorce on the planet, putting out 1.2 trillion Joules, and they say it can go up to 30 trillion! I think it could the be the greatest invention, or fluke we have eber seen, and I'm hoping it is not a fluke. So many things could be answerd just with this.  
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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »
Hadron, dear feller, not Hardon. That would smash different particles altogether . . .

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And yes, it'll be very interesting to see what comes out of such research.

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 06:36:57 PM »
Large Hardon Collider sounds like some kind of... eh nvm


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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 06:39:05 PM »
Large Hardon Collider sounds like some kind of... eh nvm


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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 07:32:25 PM »
My two cents,
I think, if it works, it is really going to change the way we see our world now. They are looking for subatomic particle that go faster than the speed of light, and as far as we know, nothing can go faster than the speed of light. It would also explain gravity, and how it works, which then we can make laws to get around gravity and in return, make us go faster than we ever thought we could.

The theory of relativity only states that matter cannot be accelerated faster than the speed of light. It says nothing about a particle that is created with speed above that of light.

They have had a lot of problems though, for one, a magnet bursted from all of the pressure and was down for a couple of months.

The magnet did suffered from heat quenching, a rather destructive process in a supercooled magnet. When the magnet heats up beyond a certain point the resistance increases at an exponential rate. An engineering fault caused the magnet to melt down from excessive current and lack of cooling.

Also, they are mainly looking for a particle called the Higgs Boson, a large hadron that does not travel faster than the speed of light, hence the name.

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 07:37:13 PM »
Will this discovery help my AH hit %?  If so, I would like two hadron thingy's sent to my house in time for Christmas...shipping must be free like everyone else.

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 07:37:44 PM »
Actually, Neutrinos do go faster than light.


This device from what I read is to discover theoretical particles that, if 'found' by the LHC , would indeed open a whole new branch of physics.

In fact, here's a direct link to one of the many amazing things that the collider can prove and open our understanding of things: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/3314456/Surfer-dude-stuns-physicists-with-theory-of-everything.html

in short, this guy says that the E8 (lie 8) IS the theory of everything..its the very structure of the universe itself (geometrical/spatial/etc). He and other scientists have been checking and found that this E8 matches and links all that we know about the universe neatly..except for 20 items which are explained only by particles we know little about: gravity.

and that, is exactly what the collider is trying to discover. If it does discover it and this E8 theory is proven a fact, its the holy grail... its the unified theory made real. the technology that can come from it is mind boggling.

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 07:51:19 PM »
Large Hardon Collider sounds like some kind of... eh nvm


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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 07:56:15 PM »
Neutrinos do not travel faster than the speed of light.....

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 07:57:59 PM »
Yea I did make a mistake, not that big of a deal.
The theory of relativity only states that matter cannot be accelerated faster than the speed of light. It says nothing about a particle that is created with speed above that of light.
Since I just learned about theory of relativity, it states that Gravity is not a force, rather that space bends around gravity, not gravity bends around space, and we cannot explain that without something doing it, so we believe that these subatomic particles would prove that Einstein was right about his theory.
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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 08:14:40 PM »
Weren't they supposed to fire that up last spring, and then postponed it for some reason?

I seem to recall something like that, but I forget.

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 08:23:34 PM »
Magnetic quench overheated hundreds of magnets....

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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 08:45:35 PM »
Yea I did make a mistake, not that big of a deal. Since I just learned about theory of relativity, it states that Gravity is not a force, rather that space bends around gravity, not gravity bends around space, and we cannot explain that without something doing it, so we believe that these subatomic particles would prove that Einstein was right about his theory.

If i remember correctly, ( please correct me if im wrong )  he proved his theory by photographing stars that were blocked by the sun. They were able to do this when there was a solar eclipse, and photographed a star that they new was behind the sun. The image taken showed the star, thus proving that the gravity bent space, and light.
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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 08:54:17 PM »
Correct. Another simple way he did it was he took a large towel and threw balls across the towel. He then took a large ball and placed it at the middle of the towel, then threw balls around the big ball, and the little ball was sucked into the "field" of the big ball, as it went around the ball.

As a side note, the LHC can and more than likely will produce enough energy to create a black hole. The black hole on the other hand will only be the size of the width of your pinky, and will last only fractions of a second because as soon as it is produced, it will collapse on itself, so I don't think we have to worry about the world getting sucked into a black hole, but the real question is, if we were sucked into a black hole, would we actally know if we were in the black hole? Because it's not just one person going into the black hole, it will be everyone in the world, and how could we figure that out? Just kinda neat that we can produce that amount of energy.
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Re: So, is anyone watching stories about the Large Hardon Collider?
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 08:57:56 PM »
The photographing a star light being bent played a big role in proving the validity of Einsteins Theory of Relativity.

The movement of Mercury's perihelion (closest point in the orbit) also helped prove it....