Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?

[JunkyII]

These posts from the no NOE people are lame. NOEs are part of the game. I don't think they should go any where. They are fun to fly in and fun to bust up. If you don't like them don't fly in em. I don't understand why you care if they take a undefended base most of you seem to want to furball only so it really shouldn't matter to you what they do. The key point though I want to get across what you find fun may differ from what others find fun. That's one great thing about being human we are all different. 

Yes a 6-7 guy NOE raid may be fun and a challenge, but when 40 people come NOE....where is the fun in that? you may get to kill a building....

[oTRALFZo]

The mentality of the typical NOEer is classic. They get pumped and spam country chan when the mission planner goes up to 30-40 guys to smash an undefended part of the map. God forbid one or two guys up when a base is flashing, see a NOE raid and make a B-line to the goon..they get called cheats, spies..etc. The same guys that plan these missions are the first to cry chesspiece horde when the same tactic is used against them. Fact is..you never see these guys that plan these missions head to the same target base when things go awry and suddenly you get some opposition.

IMO, the NOE tactic itself is ok, The NOE tactic with 20-30 guys is lame, cowardly and way overused, like throwing a stick of dynamite in a lake to catch that bigmouth bass, no skill or patience and  I doubt that tactic will ever go away. Every generation of players has those 1 or 2 guys that want to be chesspece heros

[kilo2]

Yes a 6-7 guy NOE raid may be fun and a challenge, but when 40 people come NOE....where is the fun in that? you may get to kill a building....

I have never been in one that has been 40 people 25 is the most I have flown with, and I fly in a lot of missions. I think missions of all kinds can really help a new pilot get into the game. I know my first few months that's really where I learned the basics. They are a place for new pilots to get started in our community and should be promoted. And even noes fit that bill. Some people may like taking bases and killing ack and buildings, and rarely a noe goes uncontested so there is always some sort of fight.

[Dadsguns]

The mentality of the typical NOEer is classic. They get pumped and spam country chan when the mission planner goes up to 30-40 guys to smash an undefended part of the map. God forbid one or two guys up when a base is flashing, see a NOE raid and make a B-line to the goon..they get called cheats, spies..etc. The same guys that plan these missions are the first to cry chesspiece horde when the same tactic is used against them. Fact is..you never see these guys that plan these missions head to the same target base when things go awry and suddenly you get some opposition.

IMO, the NOE tactic itself is ok, The NOE tactic with 20-30 guys is lame, cowardly and way overused, like throwing a stick of dynamite in a lake to catch that bigmouth bass, no skill or patience and  I doubt that tactic will ever go away. Every generation of players has those 1 or 2 guys that want to be chesspece heros

Tral, your sooooo last year.............    

[Shuffler]

These posts from the no NOE people are lame.

Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.

[SNIPER30]

+1 Tral

you hit the nail on the head

my advise is you can conplain about the NOE or you can take your squad and hunt the NOE!
To my knowledge if you do this enough they will get tired of being shot down ALL the time and noone will want to fly in their NOE missions.

now don't get me wrong NOE missions are fun but to use that tactic with 20-40 planes everytime is lame.

Tral, your sooooo last year.............     

 

[waystin2]

Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. 

Quoted for Truth!

[Wagger]

My take on the NOE raid is that it does have a place in the game.  What I would like to see is a set alt above the ground required before you show up on dar and towns and field start flashing.  Oh an yes do away with the DAR BAR unless they break the altitude limit. 

[choker41]

My take on the NOE raid is that it does have a place in the game.  What I would like to see is a set alt above the ground required before you show up on DAR and towns and field start flashing.  Oh an yes do away with the DAR BAR unless they break the altitude limit. 

Last I checked you had to stay below 200ft for Dar.  As for alt for town and bases flashing, I think the system is just fine.  I used to take vehicle bases really easy with my 3 man squad.  You just have to come up with a good tactic.  Try a P38, A-20, and a goon.  Let the goon fly lead till 5k from base.  Have the others wep in to down ack and as there hitting ack your landing.  Anything comes out the A20 has enough ords to cap it with help from the 38.  Time your attacks opposite when vehicles up. When one is diving the other should be grabbing alt.  This was about the only way my squad could capture a base by ourselves.

Here's a pic done with a 110 instead of the 38

[The Fugitive]

Yes, NOE's have a place in the game, NO they do NOT promote fighting. The whole idea of an NOE is to sneak in and steal a base as fast as you can WITH OUT being caught. Why as fast as you can? Because you are low and heavy in most cases, a very bad way to start a fight.

On the other hand, an NOE can be used to pull the defense apart at a heavily defended base by trying to sneak an adjacent base at the SAME TIME as continuing to attack the main base.

30 people on an NOE is just stupid, half the people in the mission won't even get a chance to drop their bombs..... WOW that must be fun ! Why not split that force and hit 2 bases at the same time? Maybe 20 guys go in at 12k as a mission, while the other 10 go NOE to an adjacent base AT THE SAME TIME.

Most NOEs are made and run by the "less skilled" players. Hiding in their "horde" substitutes for their lack of skill in defending themselves. Maybe they can complete their mission BEFORE everyone get killed. If these people worked on learning how better to defend themselves in stead the game it self would become a much better game. Look at Lusche's post, less than 20% of the people flying can keep better than a kill per sortie.... I think that was what I read, it may have been k/d, either way it shows the lack of skill today.

Todays "goal" is the "capture". If more players leaned toward the "fun of the fight" they would learn more, bring the skill levels up increasing the fun of everyone. They run a mission and if they didn't get the capture they are failures. This NOT how you should be playing this game. Sure its fun to be part of a team and capture a base, win the war, but the fun....as I see it is the fight, the challenge, to get there. You take 10 guys, run an NOE and steal a base. The whole mission lasts 15 minutes, and you get the capture. WOW that was fun! Now you do the same mission, but 5 guys up to defend. Mission lasts 30-40 minutes and you have to come back at least once more, but you and your buddies beat back the defense and you capture the base. Wouldn't that be a lot more fun?

Don't be afraid of dieing.... you don't really die you know. As most of you are the lower skilled players the only way your going to get better is to go against some opposition. Learn from what happens on the missions, in your fights.  Sure you are going to get shot down a lot, but you'll get better, everyone does. Challenge your selves. NOEs won't do that for you.

[BlauK]

waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? 

To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?

[Shuffler]

waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? 

To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?

I find plenty of fights.... for you folks stuck in a gv or bomber there is the DA too... or the TA might be a better choice.

[BlauK]

I find plenty of fights.... for you folks stuck in a gv or bomber there is the DA too... or the TA might be a better choice.

 
Why do you then constantly whine about how others play 

And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats. 

[Shuffler]

Why do you then constantly whine about how others play 

And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats. 

Why do you constantly whine about my posts? My post was aimed at trying to help some of the newer folks understand.

[waystin2]

waystin and shuffler, there is one absolutely sure way you guys can have a fight every time. Go to DA together. A dream come true. Why are you guys even playing at any other arena since "the fight" is all you need? 

To many others there are so many additional interesting aspects in this game included. Why don't you let us enjoy them?

Hello Blauk,

Shuffler and myself could not be any more different.  Where he spends almost all of his time in the 38 dog-fighting, I will GV, bomb, field gun, furball, and other assorted looney endeavours with my friends.  I say do what you enjoy, I am just asking for a chance to fight you, not play hide and seek.  Let me specific, NOES have a place in this game.  I usually only participate in them when our country is outnumbered by both sides...

 

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