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Offline thndregg

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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2009, 01:34:33 PM »
Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.

What's fascinating after all these years of the same unresolved never-ending subject is that Hitech has not altered the NOE aspect at all.


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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2009, 02:42:57 PM »
Why do you constantly whine about my posts? My post was aimed at trying to help some of the newer folks understand.

Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...


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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2009, 03:38:03 PM »
Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...

Maybe if people would STOP reading posts as that they may look at it with a bit more of an open mind. As has been stated there are many ways to play this game. Every post has an idea that may actually be fun if people could just pull themselves away from the ol tried and true NOEs that they always run. I think those that defend that single style of play are those that afraid to step outside of their comfort zone. It's a game people, lets try PLAYING !

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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #48 on: December 12, 2009, 03:46:03 PM »
Well, unfortunately to me those posts appear mostly as "my way is the only right way to play this game" -type of posts.
Great if you are doing what you say, maybe I just misread them...

Maybe I posted in a way that left that door open. Everyone knows I prefer to dogfight. I might sit in a ship gun if tired or something at home going on. I might up a different bird, the cv won't let me have a 38. I might up an A-20 and go dogfight. I might up a 25H and hit GVs and dogfight (lol dogfighting in a 25H is fun but not recommended for the faint of heart). I've been known to up a panzer or osty a bit (although I have each person in the vacinity sign a silence agreement).
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #49 on: December 12, 2009, 05:32:52 PM »
Actually your close.... what is lame is folks actually saying NOEs promote fights. The sole purpose of an NOE is to get from point A to point B without detection. Where is the fight in that. You want a fight... jump up say here I am and here is where I am going... let's get it on.

And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #50 on: December 12, 2009, 06:21:53 PM »
And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.

isnt "combat" the the whole point?
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #51 on: December 12, 2009, 10:56:59 PM »
And so they may not promote fights they don't have to.

Sure they don't have to. So they should stop saying they do.
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2009, 02:16:17 AM »
I just say do whatever people think it's fun. iIt's a game aniway xD. If I know I do something and it would push your button I'd do it 10x more just to piss you off !
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2009, 02:18:38 AM »
NOE's will always be around. It's just that you can't run them over and over again. What I think will happen is that NOE's will use a different plane set. Say, Typhoons or something that can fight and yet tear down buildings.

Tell you what I would do if I ran missions. I would send a couple of bombers at alt. have them drop on town and the kill a couple objects on the base. Then while the uppers are chasing the bombers, I would sneak my noe over there.

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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2009, 02:37:31 AM »
I think the maps should be designed to promote fewer NOEs by having bases away from the initial front progressively hilly in such a way as to make it impossible to go far with NOE attacks. NOE is a sneak attack that may initiate momentum and the stronger teams can then generate the momentum of initial victories and then move forward with more prepared assaults.

Personally I cant stand to take part in anything NOE but not because its a field capture in easy mode (or however you look at it). I just dont like getting near ack period because the stuff is attracted to my ride like blondes to muscle cars.  :lol
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2009, 06:00:29 PM »
I think the maps should be designed to promote fewer NOEs by having bases away from the initial front progressively hilly in such a way as to make it impossible to go far with NOE attacks. NOE is a sneak attack that may initiate momentum and the stronger teams can then generate the momentum of initial victories and then move forward with more prepared assaults.

Personally I cant stand to take part in anything NOE but not because its a field capture in easy mode (or however you look at it). I just dont like getting near ack period because the stuff is attracted to my ride like blondes to muscle cars.  :lol
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2009, 06:31:18 PM »
:rofl
Why do you then constantly whine about how others play  :headscratch:

And if you refer to me with that "you folks", go ahead and check my gv and bomber stats.  :eek:
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2009, 06:32:11 PM »
Is argueing for a fix in something we think is flawed, a whine?
No.  Assuming it is something that needs "fixed" in the first place is.
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2009, 06:54:56 PM »
I'd actually like to see some variety in the mission format, seems like every mission that's posted as the same aircraft in it over and over again (this coming from a die-hard 38/39 pile-it I know, I know).  If someone posted a mission with some actual historical matches, or dare I say some mid or early war birds I would probably join them from time to time.  If you're going to go NOE why not grab B-25C's with the strafer/gun packages and post some P-38G's, P-40E's, or P-39D/Q's for escort?   Get something going with a little flair or historical feel.  
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Re: Are the days of the NOE 110 raid over?
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2009, 07:06:13 PM »
I will say this. Even the 40 man NOE raids have a place in the game. Sometimes they are the only kind of missions or organized effort you can find.

I have been in plenty of 40 man NOE raids. A lot of them were standard affairs, I'd say about half. Those missions were fine. It's not so much the "I get to fight" feeling as the feeling of "I am contributing to an effort larger than myself. It doesn't matter if I get kills or not. I'm doing my part to help the group." About half the time in those missions, the raid goes ahead as planned, undisturbed by major opposition. The other half, it get's completely bogged down. The latter scenario is often the catalyst for those infamous, gigantic furballs that seem to suck in half of the entire server. The NOE raid gets intercepted. The fighter escorts begin to do their best to protect the 110's and other attack craft. More defenders come up. If there are organized squads participating, this is where it can get good. A new mission (or sometimes two) is created. Somties the mission is omitted and instructions are given verbally. The attackers re-up at the nearest base in fighters and high-tail it to the base. Furball gets going. The entire objective of the raid is lost, but everyone gets to be in a GPU-melting, stick-busting good time.

The other half is something else entirely. The other half is made up of an entirely new demographic of NOE raids. Theme raids (In Service of the Queen, Looney Gooney, ect) that are as large as the standard raids, but go out of their way to achieve historical accuracy, fighter sweeps, duration flights, and even more. Back when I was active, I flew with rook squad leaders like Limbo0 and 96Delta, so when we had a mission, it was always grand. There are two NOE missions that I remember as clear as a whistle.

The first was a raid on a Bish field with a nice waterfront view. Our original approach was off of a CV in heavy Corsairs. When that raid was marginally intercepted, we left the others to fight it out. Limbo and Delta took the LCA and 357th pilots in attendance and formed a second attack mission on a neighboring base. We quickly hit the runway in La5fn's, with bombs and full guns. We took off as quickly as we could, heading NOE to a second base nearby. Once we passed over the hill, only about 3K from the airfield, it came alive. The mission itself was made up of around 25 La5fn drivers. Once we hit that pass, more cons than I ould count came up to fight. Not only did it turn into a low level furball.... It turned into a massacre. The tightest, densest, most chaotic furball I have ever seen in my entire time playing AH. It lasted less than 10 minutes. And then we struck again. Soon after the attack was met head on by heavy resistance, Limbo0 told everyone there to reup at the same base with an La7 with 50% fuel and wait for further instructions. Once enough of us died, we reupped as quickly as we could, passing by yet another flight of rook La5fn's headed to roughly the same area, but a different base. Once we got there, it was still a gigantic, fuming furball and everyone involved had an incredible time.

My second NOE raid that I'm writing about had much less action, but I remember it just as vividly. There were around 12 of us. It was the map where the rooks hold the bottom edge. We put up a mission to take a small number of Lancasters, loaded to 75% fuel and plenty of ordinance. We headed out east from the rook mainland to go way out beyond the Bish space and around to two lille v-bases out in the rear, beyond two mountain passes. After we launched, we stayed as close to the deck as possible, going out over the water. Our escorts scouted ahead about 3/4 a sector. For about an hour, we flew over water towards a mountain pass that we would use to stay under radar all the way to the v-bases. About 70 minutes in, we made our turn north and headed up into the mountain pass. We had a few close calls with the hills, but we made it ok. Then we got to the bases. I can't remember completely if we capped them or not, but I do remember landing at one of the v-bases. Definately the LONGEST NOE raid I have ever been on. It was a blast. I wouldn't do it again, but it was an incredible experience.
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