What proves more skill, a one on one, or kills?

[oakranger]

This completely overestimates SA, ACM knowledge and shooting skill of the "average" cartoon pilot.

The overwhelming majority of AH player can't do that at all.

I agree about the "anyone can land 3-5 kills".  I am not all great with my ACM yet i still land kills. 

This is a funny topic, i just read about something about allies and axis not knowing how good they really are.  All the training in dogfight could not tell if they are skilled pilots because they could not used live round.  However, once they are put into combat action, even then, there is question on how well trained the enemy was the time you killed him or he kills you.  by 1944, U.S. and Brits pilot had over 400 hours of training before then get into action, Germany declined their hours do to shortage and only got 130-150 hours.  There was never a even match with the amount of training.   

[Lusche]

I agree about the "anyone can land 3-5 kills".  I am not all great with my ACM yet i still land kills.  

Again, overestimation  of the average player. You may not feel like it, but even you are above average.

And "landing kills" is not the same as landing 3-5 every time you want to. It may occasionally happen... but for most players, landing 3-5 isn't a deliberate choice they made. It's pure luck.

[Chalenge]

Again, overestimation  of the average player. You may not feel like it, but even you are average.

And "landing kills" is not the same as landing 3-5 every time you want to. It may occasionally happen... but for most players, landing 3-5 isn't a deliberate choice they made. It's pure luck.

There is no such thing as luck and you are either prepared for the situation or you are not. You either have the opportunity to make three kills or you do not. If luck were a potion it would be an empty vial.

[WMLute]

That really is a good point snail.

I guess you are right.

I might have lost sight on how difficult this game is for the first 1-3 years.

[grizz441]

There is no such thing as luck and you are either prepared for the situation or you are not.

Of course there is luck.  A pilot can be completely indifferent to the threats around him furballing away while enemies take unsuccessful passes at him or attack his allies.  He then finishes his tasks, bingo and proud, and rtbs a few kills unscathed.  Did he do a good job?  Yes, but he was lucky that somebody didn't pick him or choose him to saddle.

Gosh Chalenge, I think you try your hardest to give me sig material.  I'll stick with the 30k fuel saving for now though.

[Lusche]

I might have lost sight on how difficult this game is for the first 1-3 years.

That's happening easily. We all tend to judge "good" "bad" "average" from our own particular standing. Better pilots tend to say "he sucks" to everyone that is showing considerable less skill then they have. For instance, I am wondering quite often why so few people take the Hurri D for tankbusting and why that plane has less than 0.5 K/D vs tanks. Then I have to remind myself that for the ordinary AH player it's actually quite a feat not to auger while attacking tanks, while for myself anything less than 5:1 is a bad result...

Example for 2 different point of views:
Let's assume there are about 500 cartoon pilots that would beat me most of the time in a classic 1v1 duel. Sounds horrible, indicates a major lack in skill on my part.
Well, at the same time that means that less than 10% of all AH players are able to beat me that way - which suddenly seems to make me a great pilot


BTW: Less than 20% of all players get 1 kll per sortie or better...

[JunkyII]

1v1 in the DA and 1v1 in the MA are completely different, which is why I like 1v1s in the MA. I like to hav different amounts of E at the start of the fight, I like not knowing who I am flying against(I fly better for the most part there) , I like the different plane match ups. Say Im in a KI61 and see a 109...I have to think first(this dude is a MAN for flying a 109 ) then I got to think what model is he flying? If he is flying a K4 he can out climb the crap out of me, if he is in a F4 hes gunna be able to turnfight really easily. This just adds more of a challenge and excitement to the fight which 1v1s in the DA dont offer, but dont get me wrong I stil have great fights in the DA.




An example of a good MA stick but lame DA stick............Hoagi

[CAP1]

       I have a debatable question. What proves more skill, a one on one, or kills.

       Personally, I'm not trying to be by est but i think the one vs one proves more.
Only because it requires allot of physical and mental skill. However, getting, particularly
landing kills requires SA and mental skills.

       I'm not asking for facts but simply opinions.So feel free to state yours, I will
not argue.

1 v 1.

you can rack up kills all day long, and never actually participate in a single fight.

[Anaxogoras]

Yet another idealized hypothetical that has no real correspondence in actual online combat.

Some noobs are tough to bring down 1-vs-1 if you put them in the right aircraft, but could never land "3-5 kills."  In some aircraft and circumstances a pilot might have little success 1vs1, but be able to land lots of kills.

After flying FSO last night, I value a good cherry-picker for a team-mate over a 1vs1 hot shot, without hesitation.  The evolution of the fighter in WWII favored aircraft that sacrificed 1-vs-1 dueling ability in favor of speed, roll-rate, and fire power.

[Rich46yo]

Very few 1 on 1 fights in the MAs now. Far fewer then there used to be. TT has become one of the better spots to find one, but even there? And another thing. I dont know if theres a way to check but I often fly entire nights without seeing much enemy "not" in a high speed P-51, 190, Typhie, Spit-16, Tempy, K-4s, P-47M....ect Unless its a CV fight that is. There are a lot of high eny aircraft I want to fly but how often are you going to up a Brewster when nothing around you is going under 400 mph?

Sure you can dodge most of the pick and runners. But eventually you'll get bored with it and I end up right back where I started. Killing tanks!

[CAP1]

Very few 1 on 1 fights in the MAs now. Far fewer then there used to be. TT has become one of the better spots to find one, but even there? And another thing. I dont know if theres a way to check but I often fly entire nights without seeing much enemy "not" in a high speed P-51, 190, Typhie, Spit-16, Tempy, K-4s, P-47M....ect Unless its a CV fight that is. There are a lot of high eny aircraft I want to fly but how often are you going to up a Brewster when nothing around you is going under 400 mph?

Sure you can dodge most of the pick and runners. But eventually you'll get bored with it and I end up right back where I started. Killing tanks!

mw last night. sole defender of a vbase with a big bardar incoming. i was at about 16k as that's where the badguys were last time. i see a dot about 7k higher....so i climb to 20k. head back, still the dot's above me. head away, climb to 26k. find a corsair about 2k below me, haulin arse for the merge.
 i merge with him, and on a quick scan, sure enough, there comes another corsair from slightly above me.

 so basically almost 30k for a vbase. i believe the rest were lower, but i never saw em.

[Bruv119]

it is a good question. 

I think the main difference is,  in a duel all external SA factors are removed and the focus is on flying ability + equal energy states.

Everything being equal could be seen as easy / fair or more difficult depending on the pilots view.

The answer IMO is that the two require different skill sets therefore cannot be compared as one more difficult than the other.

[Bosco123]

I tend to try and bring out the fight in people, as much as I can when it comes to 1v1's or even furballs. The simple way is to call them out on 200, and try and get them mad enough at you to fight you If they don't it just means that they are one of those weenies.

[Shuffler]

I was in MW last night and had 10 scalps. Some were 2 on my 1 and some were 1 vs 1. Most all were low except 1 fight with a pony. That one was up around 7k. I was on my way past our GV base to take the fight to them. Flying blissfully into the blinding rays of the sun. Then to desktop..... aces high has stopped working .... close or report. 

I think either way is an improvement on how some in AH fly. Just make sure that win or lose, the guy or guys you fought know they had a fight.

The fight is the game! Any fight where your actually in the fight can improve your cartoon peelot skillset

[bj229r]

I usually have decent numbers, and often land kills, but if I have to go straight up against any number of guys who have posted in this thread, I'd get my arse handed to me every time