What proves more skill, a one on one, or kills?

[CAP1]

had a guy in mw last night. i was flying around, went over his base....he rolled, as i was approaching. i was gonna engage, but he kept circling in his ack.
 no problem, i head west, to give him time to climb, and get speed. near the edge of his dar ring, i turned left staying right inside it.
 then i read on open text "c'mon dumb p-38, turn around!" so i looked, and he was about co-alt, so i turned, dove under him, came up over the top, rolled as i did, and tore his wing off.

 i think my reply was "ask and ye shall receive"
 now bear in mind.....i suck.........but this dude obviously sucked more.  

 i would've offered him some advice, 'cept for 2 things......he was a wise bellybutton right off the bat......and he logged as soon as his wreckage hit the cartoon ground.

[BnZs]

Frankly, if flying stupid means flying under 30k and in a non perk ride/ride above 5 ENY (check your stats sometime), I'll fly stupid every time.

Chalenge's favorite ride, the P-51, needs to be a a 5 eny ride like a Prius needs to be in NASCAR.

YOUR favorite ride, the P-38, has the Pony beat in every single respect *except* top speed....

Sorry, but "going there" about ride choice using ENY number is just misleading sometimes...

[Chalenge]

Little of what happens in the MA resembles what happened historically. Even in a scenario type environment, you're lucky if you can experience 1% of what the real pilots did. This is a game, nothing more, nothing less.

Frankly, if flying stupid means flying under 30k and in a non perk ride/ride above 5 ENY (check your stats sometime), I'll fly stupid every time. It is a lot more entertaining to get into a fight one shouldn't survive than to have to watch an in-flight movie just to get operational altitude. This is a game, loosen up and enjoy it.

The fact that you even checked my stats proves your jealous.  Thanks.

[Chalenge]

Like you?  There's no need to know any ACM when you have the patience to fly to 30k every mission and kill bombers and AFK pilots.  It's no mystery why you fly P47Ms, P51Ds, and Tempests.  You like the planes that have the greatest advantage at 28k, the ability to run when you realize your enemy is going to put up a fight.  One of these days I'm going to find ya up in the strato and film you as you try to fight your way out of the wet paper bag that I put you in.  Maybe tonight perhaps, that is if you aren't spawn camping in a tiger all night.   

Your showing your absolute genius again their noob!

Yes I have found the bombers at 30k that I enjoy attacking are great furballers.  Im sure one of the trainers is working overtime showing them all the nose on tactics. 

[grizz441]

Chalenge's favorite ride, the P-51, needs to be a a 5 eny ride like a Prius needs to be in NASCAR.

YOUR favorite ride, the P-38, has the Pony beat in every single respect *except* top speed....

Sorry, but "going there" about ride choice using ENY number is just misleading sometimes...

Yes but the way Chalenge flies, in straight line vectors at 400mph +..., the only important aspect of his plane choices IS top speed. 

BnZ, when you discuss Eny and plane performances, you never put enough emphasis on top cruise speeds which is the most important performance aspect in staying alive in the main arena for the masses in the majority of sticky situations.  The next two most important performance aspects are Ammo Quantity and Ammo Lethality.  Those top 3 are what is going to keep a pilot alive the longest and racking up the most kills, simple as that.  After those 3, I would say Turning Ability which you seem to think is the most important.  How else do you think Chalenge is able to be so successful?  He really has no skills to work with other than pure timidness and planes that suit this style to perfection.

[BnZs]

Yes but the way Chalenge flies, in straight line vectors at 400mph +..., the only important aspect of his plane choices IS top speed.  

BnZ, when you discuss Eny and plane performances, you never put enough emphasis on top cruise speeds which is the most important performance aspect in staying alive in the main arena for the masses in the majority of sticky situations.  The next two most important performance aspects are Ammo Quantity and Ammo Lethality.  Those top 3 are what is going to keep a pilot alive the longest and racking up the most kills, simple as that.  After those 3, I would say Turning Ability which you seem to think is the most important.  How else do you think Chalenge is able to be so successful?  He really has no skills to work with other than pure timidness and planes that suit this style to perfection.

The most important qualities for an airplane are top speed, maneuverability, and thrust/weight. Which one is most important depends on what you are doing at the time. Firepower and ammo load comes somewhere under that. Top speed never won a single dogfight btw, although it may have put you in position to have the dogfight.

Speed would be inarguably the most important *only* if score were based on k/d alone, with no k/s or k/t component.

As for Chalenge's personal "style"...haven't a clue.

[SPKmes]

I think...Kills has nothing to do with skill.....yes...as you gain experience you are able to get a flashy sign in the text buffer saying so....however as has been said...many can perch and swoop and never get close to danger...skill to me is being able to fight and stay clear of gun solution for ..... however long...this could be 1v1 in the MA or DA or multi con engagements or even a ganging.....either way it is when you finish the fight win or lose...have you learned something?,  do you feel amped or sit back thinking, I want to do that again?? Just last night I was in a fight with a Pony B, I was a spit 5....we had a good little scrap on the outskirts of the main fight....It went back and forth for a few minutes till I managed a shot which took half a wing off...I started chasing him down knowing full well that there was no chance of him getting away of fighting back...but when I got to 400 out I decided to turn about and let him land...the fight was over and sure I could have run him down and finished him off beating my chest all the way to get my name in lights but there was no longer a decent fight so no skill was needed...as it was I sent a <S> for a good fight and received one back...

wow what a blah blah blah... ultimately...name in lights...1v1.....neither of these are an out and out proof of skill.... what you can't do today you may do tomorrow...improving on your game is what proves skill..... moving from the ho all in sight....to surviving for a time in a 1v1, to enjoying multi con engagements.....you will learn till the day you die..........And then there's getting proficient at the smack talk....you think the fighting in AH has a steep learning curve....the smack/bravado talk is even steeper 

[Chalenge]

The most important qualities for an airplane are top speed, maneuverability, and thrust/weight. Which one is most important depends on what you are doing at the time. Firepower and ammo load comes somewhere under that. Top speed never won a single dogfight btw, although it may have put you in position to have the dogfight.

Speed would be inarguably the most important *only* if score were based on k/d alone, with no k/s or k/t component.

As for Chalenge's personal "style"...haven't a clue.

Grizz has no clue either... on any subject as far as I can tell. 

[Qrsu]

Well, I've been flying for more than a year and even after all the training I've received I lose almost every 1v1 I get into and I usually go through three cartoon pilots before I knock one out of the sky in the main. 

[Shuffler]

The fact that you even checked my stats proves your jealous.  Thanks.

We post some folks stats in SAPP.... we find them good for a laugh. You were just one he posted.

[Motherland]

Top speed never won a single dogfight btw, although it may have put you in position to have the dogfight.

Top speed, in any kind of 'realistic' scenario, is probably the single most significant factor in combat aircraft.
The P51 is the best aircraft for BnZ work, period, because it has great loiter time, great top speed, great high speed maneuverability, awesome visibility, and a good gun package for high speed work. I can't imagine what else you'd want.

Unless I'm misunderstanding why throughout the history of combat aviation aircraft have sacrificed maneuverability for speed at every opportunity. (in a very general sense of course )

[Plazus]

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[Chalenge]

We post some folks stats in SAPP.... we find them good for a laugh. You were just one he posted.

I see... for the record approximately 13 of my sorties were unproductive for one reason or another. While I do enjoy a good 30k attack on bombers they do tend to die or bail or in four cases pull the plug on the internet. I did learn you get A kill on bombers when they do that (if you are close enough) and you get to see who the noob is but aside from that... tough.

Thanks for the laugh though Shuffler (looking up SAPP I mean). 

[oakranger]

He may be trying to emulate HT 

Crap, sorry about that shuffler.   

[oakranger]

Well, I've been flying for more than a year and even after all the training I've received I lose almost every 1v1 I get into and I usually go through three cartoon pilots before I knock one out of the sky in the main. 

Heck, i been flying for 5 years and still below average.  However, have improve here and there by picking up a few ACM.