Fw 190A Loadouts

[funked]

I hope we get all the air/ground loadouts on the Fw 190A.

An Fw 190F or G would be nice, but it's not really necessary.  Pretty much all the bomb racks, gun pods, etc. that were used on the Fw 190F were available on the Fw 190A as field mods.  This includes up to 2 bomb racks on each wing, a torpedo, centerline bomb racks with 2 x 250 kg bombs, and some more stuff.

Many of the F's were just A's that were modified at the factory.  And many of the ground attack groups weren't equipped with F's - they used similarly-equipped A models.

Also I hope that we have the option of removing the outer wing cannon, with the correct weight and inertia bonus.  This was quite common in the field.

[fats]

...and the cowl MGs were removed sometimes as well.


//fats

[weretiger]

you are definitly rigth

F1 were A4/U3 (renamed)
F2 were A5/u3 (remamed)

the outer wing guns were removed
the armour weigth was inceased to 790 Lbs (240 on normal A)
it could carry pay load on the ventral ETC501
1*250kb or 1 500 kg or 4*50 k (with ETC4 adapter.

as far as i know later F series were able to carry 1000 kg bomb.

the first deries of G1 were A4/U8.
the machines gun were removed.
it had 2* 300 liter extra tanks underthe wings
later g version were able to cary 1000, 1500 and even 1800 kg bombs

some versions of thos planes had extra 20 mil in the wing or in a gundola
some had a mk 103 (anti tank)

some had panzerblitz oe modified rm4 against tank

[funked]

Weretiger I just sent the same information to WarBirds.  We'll see who can get the 190 loadouts done first.  

BTW What information do you have on MW-50 or GM-1 on the Fw 190A?

My understanding:  

Fw 190A-4 throught Fw 190A-7 had BMW 801 engine with provision for MW-50, but the full system was not installed at the factory until the Fw 190A-8 version.  MW-50 was stored in fuselage tank of 118 liter capacity.

The only info I have on GM-1 is that it was used on an A-5 prototype and was available as Fw 190A-6/R4, Fw 190A-7/R4, Fw 190A-8/R4.

I have no good info on how it was stored, or if it was used at the same time as MW-50.

I also found info that GM-1 was stored in the 118 liter fuselage tank but this must be false:  GM-1 is nitrous oxide - a pressurized gas that can not be stored in a tank for liquid fuel.

[weretiger]

That’s THE topic....
GM1
I have the same information as you
The speed was tested (or estimated) by the REA at 430 mph @ 26 K.
Note that it did not influence the 416-420 of a normal FW.
The bm801D2 was designed to be able to use the mw50...
The Mw50 system itself was usable late 43 and early 44.
As far as i understand it was pretty difficult to install and had to be done at the factory or at a repair/visit centre.
I haven’t been able to find any (proof in the uk archive), other than it was used with the fw190 A and D. (for the D there is definite proofs)
I was able to find the following in the UK archive:
It has been tested on FW190 in late 43.
the uk expected it to be use in  series.
the Strum version of the FW190 did not have Mw50 nor GM1
There is several test of the "bmw801D or E + S" with B4 petrol and mw50 having the same power curve that the Bm801D and C3 fuel.

To complicate everything there was a very similar dispositive using C3 fuel to the same intend that the methanol water melange (intercooler= more pressure and reduce heating). There was a belief that this could only be used with the low blower of the engine (hence under 3000 ft) but the REA said that it was usable at every altitude and have the same effect as the MW 50.
The most common information is that the Mw50 was installed in the A8 in a 115 litre behind the pilot.
that extra tank could be used for extra fuel or for some book to put the GM1.


I believe however that it was present on the TU and Ts or (F eventually) hence on the A9 or some A8-U11.
(the uk archive i found that those engine were using the MW50 but i need to see the power curve........we'll see, then)
to summarise:
it difficult to know but this is what i believe that up to A8 mw 50 was not used on the FW.
Technically there is no gain to use the MW50 above 20 k (for the BMW801 D2).
It can be argued that it can prolongate the use of the WEP (2700 rpm) normally 3 minutes to something around 10 minutes.(NB as far REA is concern petrol injection used like MW50 can just do that.)
Some recent book seems to point to the use of GM1 on Fw190. It's make "more sense" as GM1 raised the critical altitude to 26 k.
Up to March-April 44, it was very likely to have in a FW stafell/gruppe some aircrafts to engage the bomber and some aircrafts to protect from allied fighters.

The MW50 (or petrol) is more likely to be used with the TU/TS engine given the fact that the critical altitude of those engine  higher than the 801 D and to compensate for the Hp loss du to the compressor.

The ground attack version were more likely to have used the "+S" versions...

[funked]

Weretiger, thanks for the info.

How do you find this REA information?

I hope you don't mind, I posted a link to this discussion on the AGW (alt.games.warbirds) board.  There has been a general discussion of WEP systems going on, and I thought this would fit in nicely.

<Salute>

funked

[weretiger]

no problem funked, this is what those bord are for

If some on has info that seems contradict "mine" please let me know.
This is the only way we can shade some ligth on the subject.

I found the info in the Public Office Record
in the AIR40/99 /100 /101 files
(in short in the Uk archives)
they were the result of test done by the RAE in farenborough where the geman aicrafts were evaluated.
I guess that the smithonians have that somewhere.....
I have a more complete "file" on the german booster if you are interested....
thanks
At the moment i am copiling data on the fw190A/f/g.
I have a file on the D9 if you are interested as well.

[funked]

Weretiger I am interested in anything you've got.  

I have recently found some out-of-print but long books which are the sources of a writer I often quote (Joe Baugher) and I'm hoping to find some good info in there too.

Do you have the book America's Hundred Thousand?  I sure wish a book like this existed for the Luftwaffe, RAF, IJAAF/IJNAF, VVS, etc.  

[weretiger]

no problems
i will be sending that to you shortly.
good hunt

[Krod]

Weretiger, I'd be interested in seeing any info you are willing to send me.


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[funked]

No Krod it's mine... ALL MINE!!!  

[weretiger]

Funked
i need your adress
the d9 file is around 8 pages
i don't think i can post it here.....

[Werewolf]

Weretiger please include me (-were-@warbirds.org)

But guys asked German Museum not long ago and they told me it is possible to acess their archives and to copy the documents which are interesting.
I will visit a friend in Munich soon and I think I will use the opportunity to visit the museum and get all the info on Me 109K, FW 190-D, Ta 152 and Me 109G. They should have the technical manuals of these birds in posession.
There has been a website offering these too, but I tried to contact the owner and the email came back undeliverable.

Werewo
JG 301 "Heimatverteidigung"

[funked]

Weretiger my address is mwaltz@attglobal.net

(Michael Waltz)

Thanks!

[Bullethead]

Well, however they do the boost system in the FW, I want a Y connector in the line so I can feed a little nitrous oxide into my oxygen mask  

-Bullethead <CAF>