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Werewolf

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 1999, 02:56:00 PM »
No!!! Roll-/Startstrecke means the runway it needs to takeoff. Therefore it has a minimum of 350 meters from 0 km/h to liftoff.

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 1999, 03:45:00 PM »
Weretiger thanks for the info.  

The A-4 speed figures are very close to those in another sim...  

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 1999, 03:45:00 PM »
Pyro that link has a period on the end of it.  Delete that and it will work.

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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 1999, 04:44:00 PM »
Pyro,

I figured that speed to be a bit high (although I didn't know the weight).  Airfoil data suggests a max cl of around 1.3.  However, if the cl is limited by the tip airfoil (very close to 1.07) where aileron control would be lost and a wing would drop, then the plane could very well stall at 127 mph.  With the lower lift coefficient, induced drag is reduced and the plane would fly it's rather large circle at near 250 mph!  That's about 18 deg/sec turn rate...not too bad, really.

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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 1999, 05:24:00 PM »
Roll rate:

All other things being equal, roll rate varies directly with wingspan and airspeed.

Ailerons usually span 40% of the wing and 25% of the chord (10% of the wing area).  The planform of the wing and the area that is affected by ailerons is important in producing the roll torque.  The greater the roll torque, the faster the max roll rate will be.  2 examples:

Spitfire:  Elliptical planform - minimizes roll inertia but there is little area outboard where the ailerons are, so roll torque is low and so is the roll rate.

Corsair:  Slightly tapered/almost straight wing - higher inertia but faster roll rate.

A general rule of thumb to estimate roll rates...  

Take the aileron deflection, multiply by the % of wing area.  That will give the angle of attack change of the whole wing (figured at the mean aerodynamic chord).  

20 degrees * 10% = 2 degrees

On a straight wing, the MAC is 50% of the semi-span (or half way to the wingtip).  On tapered or elliptical wings, it's closer to the fuse.  

Example:  Span = 40', semi-span = 20', MAC =10'

A point on the MAC carves a circle 31.4' in circumference.  

Use trig to figure out the velocity around that circle, depending on forward speed.

V = tan(2 degrees) * forward velocity

If the plane is flying at 200 mph, a point on the MAC is travelling at 7 mph (10.3 ft/sec).  
Therefore, it will take 3 seconds to complete a roll.

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 1999, 06:18:00 AM »
Pyro did you get the mail this time.
otherwise send me one
willaume@eti.com.

for those interested
here is the wing, tail and elevator data for the A3 from the good old REA.

CG (meanchord wing = Sgoss/span): 0.28 meancord.
wings:
area gros S: 203 sq.ft.
area net 177 ft
span 2s: 34.5 ft
meanchord: 5.88 ft
dihedral 5  deg
sweep back of 1/4 chordline 2.5 deg
aspect ratio: 5.87
chord root: 7.50 ft
chord tip: 4.05

Flaps:
type: split
maximum angle 60 deg
flap area /S 0.092
flap chord /local chord:
inner end: 0.16
outer end: 0.21
flap span /2s: 0.45
central cut away span /2s: 0.09


longitudinal control
Gross tailplane area S': 31.6 sq. ft.
total elevator area /S': 0.38
elevator up 31 deg
elevator down 26 deg
type of balabce shielded horn
percetage of balance 9.1
stick gearing : 4.1 deg per inch
tail volume coef 0.45.
S'/S: 1.56
l'/meanchord wing (l'= CG to 1/4 chord tailplane): 2.89

directional
type: shielded horn
fin and ruder area gross S": 24.3 sq. ft.
ruder area /s" : 0.315
l"/s (l"= scantroid of s") : 1.12
fin&rudder volume coef (s"l"/Ss):0.134
percentage balance : 4.6
pedal gearing :6.0 deg./in.

lateral control
type frise
aileron area (total):20.1 sq. ft.
aileron area /S: 0.099
aileron chord /local chord: 0.295
aileron span /2s: 0.43
percentage balance 28.8 %
aileron angles +/- 17 deg
stick gearing 3.2 deg./in.

thank to werewolf for my "roll rate".

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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 1999, 12:06:00 PM »
Wells:

Eric Brown got 110 mph as a stall speed flying the same Fw190 A-4/U8 that weretiger quoted climb/speed figures for, at 8470 lb.  The only difference between this and the "Brand W" A-4 is the removal of the outer MGFF + ammo.

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« Reply #37 on: October 27, 1999, 12:07:00 PM »
Weretiger keep it coming!

Is there anyway to obtain paper copies of these documents?

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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 1999, 12:17:00 PM »
1 x MG FF weighs 37.0kg
1 x 60 round drum weighs 19.8kg
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total 113.6kg ( ~250lbs ), or < 3% of total mass removed

Interesting that MG FF ammo weights ~1.66 times as much as MG 151/20? Figures from Aircraft Monograph 6 - Fw 190D Ta 152. Anyone else got figures for guns and ammo?


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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 1999, 12:32:00 PM »
Fats

Check out Emmanuel Gustin's
WWII Fighter Gun Debate Website, it has most of the data you are looking for.

Of if the above link don't work: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html

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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 1999, 01:11:00 PM »
I forgot to mention that this is for an A3.
about the weigth
here is what the REA has to say:
weigh for all fixed equipement excluding guns: 6,544 lbs
pilot and chute 200 lbs  (midget......)
fuel (115 gal.):860  ""
oil 10 gal : 96
2* mg 151/20:196
ammo for the above (2*200 rds): 200
2*mg FF: 126
ammo (2*55 + magazines): 90
2*MG 17: 56
ammo (2*1000) 142
radio equipment: 70
That's 8580 lbs with the pilot and the chute
the A4 8470 lbs with the pilot and the chute (i hope anyway).
It was flown with 250 rounds and 900 for each mg 17.
logically the weigth should have been 146
196-50 ligther.
so there is only 36 lbs unaccounted for this can be a mixture of the pilots,some interal fuel and pumps for the wings tanks not removed and sligtly heavier radio/radio nav equipement.
I hope it clarify things.
Nb: that was a good question, the info that you can gather (whatever the source) can be misleading.
Lost of people quote 390 for tha max speed of the fw 190. this is true for the A2 and the derated A3 and some of the A3/u3 and a4/u3 for the same raison.  
this only by doubting and wondering why that we can figure out what happened.

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