Astounding Perfomance By RS/KS La-7 Group Leaders

[Krusty]

MA is if you don't make it back, you're dead. Ditched, Bailed, Killed, Discoed, etc, all count as a loss. And MA counts drones.

The problem with the public logs is that they only list "landed successfully" -- not "landed successfully with 2 out of 3 drones" or something much more detailed.

[oneway]

Like I said if your applying K/D using normal MA standards (anything other than landed successfully) something is not right. I didn't try to establish a K/D using film, I just invalidated your results. Over four frames my squad lost more than 25 pilots alone, never mind counting the drones. Now account for the fact there were two squads and the other was hit harder than me. Unless your using an unknown k/d formula, which I would be curious to know, something is wrong.

The B-25 k/d is in error using normal k/d critera, sorry to burst your bubble...

Strip

Better buy a new Abacus...your math is wrong...

You would argue with God at heavens gate given a chance...your amazing in your constant attacks...

Here are all B-25C kills for ALL B-25's ALL Frames...get back to me with some real data when you run the log files...if you want all four log files let me know....

 

Oneway

B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot cactus  Victim: Pilot Stampf  Fw 190D-9  14:56:58
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot cactus  Victim: Pilot Crum  P-39Q  17:13:43
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot GypsyB  Victim: Pilot Hobo  Fw 190D-9  14:54:06
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Krusty  Victim: Pilot AArecon  Fw 190F-8  14:47:16
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Krusty  Victim: Pilot VonMessa  Fw 190D-9  14:53:39
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Popsman  Victim: Pilot REDX  Fw 190D-9  16:51:15
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot Fencer  Fw 190F-8  15:19:05
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot Marshal  Ju 88A-4  15:17:30
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot Marshal  Ju 88A-4  15:17:43
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot Spinner  Fw 190D-9  16:01:15
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot JVnotch  Fw 190D-9  16:07:53
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot Wraith  Fw 190D-9  16:08:48
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot bb  Fw 190D-9  16:50:08
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Soulyss  Victim: Pilot JVlobo  Fw 190D-9  16:58:17
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot gas50  Victim: Pilot lothmog  Fw 190F-8  14:38:57
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot gas50  Victim: Pilot rob53  Bf 109G-14  15:46:32
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot gas50  Victim: Pilot Turner  Fw 190D-9  14:55:06
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Hibbie2  Victim: Pilot Magpie  Bf 109G-14  15:21:38
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Strip  Victim: Pilot VANDALS  Bf 109G-14  15:22:58
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Strip  Victim: Pilot DrDea  Fw 190F-8  14:38:16
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Strip  Victim: Pilot Spinner  Fw 190D-9  14:58:03
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Strip  Victim: Pilot Akondo  Fw 190D-9  14:58:24
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Beefcake  Victim: Pilot Cobra45  T-34/85  14:45:34
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Beefcake  Victim: Pilot Marshal  Ju 88A-4  15:17:42
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Beefcake  Victim: Pilot JVnotch  Fw 190D-9  16:53:57
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Beefcake  Victim: Pilot Wraith  Fw 190D-9  14:57:11
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Duke  Victim: Pilot Fencer  Fw 190F-8  14:40:19
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot Duke  Victim: Pilot shamus  Bf 109G-14  15:49:07
B-25C Pilot/Victor: Pilot OzzyRev  Victim: Pilot Morfiend  Fw 190D-9  14:55:56

[oneway]

MA is if you don't make it back, you're dead. Ditched, Bailed, Killed, Discoed, etc, all count as a loss. And MA counts drones.

The problem with the public logs is that they only list "landed successfully" -- not "landed successfully with 2 out of 3 drones" or something much more detailed.

Well I have that handled...the AH logs and their summaries DO NOT COUNT

[Krusty]

oneway, something is amiss on this one...

You listed 29 kills for 25 deaths across all 4 frames, in your other thread?


We lost more than 25 planes every frame, seems like!

EDIT: We had 7 pilots max in 2 squads, with 3 drones each, and more than once were wiped out entirely on one of our missions.

14 pilots, times 3 planes lost, equals 42 planes lost per frame, if fully wiped out once (not counting losses on our second lives).

Something's not adding up, loss-wise.

[Strip]

So that is every B-25 killed for the entire scenario?

Something else, Popsman, DocCH, QCareCH, HarpJ, GlennCo, and Tudza are not on this list. Tudza died four times himself to enemy fighters in two frames alone.

Yet he is not listed once.....I think you need to take a closer look at your program verses attacking people with valid points.

Strip

[oneway]

So that is every B-25 killed for the entire scenario?

Something else, Popsman, DocCH, QCareCH, HarpJ, GlennCo, and Tudza are not on this list. Tudza died four times himself to enemy fighters in two frames alone.

Yet he is not listed once.....I think you need to take a closer look at your program verses attacking people with valid points.

Strip

Yes that is because this is showing the sortie with the kill and that kill was lost at that time and the pilot had multiple kills

Let me put the victim in so it makes more sense to you

Oneway

I updated it so it makes more sense...

[Krusty]

I don't want to seem like I'm picking on oneway's program, but if there is a flaw, it should be addressed.

I went over frame 1's losses alone. Any time it says "so and so died" or "bailed from damaged plane" that's only an indication of that action from the last drone, so you have to assume that's the 3rd loss in a row. Must be counted as 3, since we all took off with 3 planes per formation. I counted each bomber's death or killed notification as 3, for the above reason, and then counted how many times they were shot down by the other team, to account for losses where they still landed safely. Not a complete picture, but it counts as a bare minimum of losses.

Frame 1 alone, we had (just counting losses from the logs, does NOT show the entire picture if you lose drones, or have them damaged and later lose them after the attacker is gone, etc)

13GvBAP losses:
Cactus: -3, Gypsy -6, Krusty -3, Popsman -6, Soulyss -4, unclkurt -6
(at LEAST 28 lost there alone)

251 GvBAP losses:
Doc72ch -3, gas50 -5, hibbie2 -3, Strip -3, tudza -3
(at LEAST 17 lost there alone)

So frame 1 alone we lost 45 lost B-25s bare minimum.


I think there are issues with how it counts bomber formation losses, so far.

[Strip]

Dont worry its only me who is attacking him.....

 

I want to know how he arrived at only 25 kills, by any logical yard stick used measure that number is erroneous.

Edit: Part of the problem is I am talking about deaths, you are talking about kills. Can you describe how you compile deaths of bombers when it relates to k/d?

(That way people can compare results?)

Strip

[Krusty]

This is how:

Frame 2:

Krusty
14:24:17 Departed from Field #12 in a B-25C
15:05:40 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:40 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:40 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:43 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:43 Destroyed a field gun at city #03 
15:05:43 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:44 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:44 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:44 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:05:44 Destroyed a AAA factory #03 
15:50:08 Arrived Safely at Field #12
15:50:24 Departed from Field #12 in a B-25C
16:28:27 Helps corsair shoot down Redtail7.
16:34:55 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:56 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:56 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:34:57 Destroyed a city building at city #03 
16:55:34 Vanished without a trace.


If you check the "so and so killed Krusty" you will find I was killed 3 times. 2 by 190Ds, and the third time I was dogfighting them and my power blinked ("vanished without a trace") so I gave away the third kill to whoever wounded me moments before.

You'll note, however, that I was never "killed, died, bailed" or anything in my log screen.

I think the program's not currently set up to read between the lines, and count me as "died 3x"....

[Strip]

We are in agreement Krusty....

My question is directed a Oneway, applying MA standards I can account for that many deaths in one sortie.

Strip

[oneway]

I don't want to seem like I'm picking on oneway's program, but if there is a flaw, it should be addressed.

I went over frame 1's losses alone. Any time it says "so and so died" or "bailed from damaged plane" that's only an indication of that action from the last drone, so you have to assume that's the 3rd loss in a row. Must be counted as 3, since we all took off with 3 planes per formation. I counted each bomber's death or killed notification as 3, for the above reason, and then counted how many times they were shot down by the other team, to account for losses where they still landed safely. Not a complete picture, but it counts as a bare minimum of losses.

Frame 1 alone, we had (just counting losses from the logs, does NOT show the entire picture if you lose drones, or have them damaged and later lose them after the attacker is gone, etc)

13GvBAP losses:
Cactus: -3, Gypsy -6, Krusty -3, Popsman -6, Soulyss -4, unclkurt -6
(at LEAST 28 lost there alone)

251 GvBAP losses:
Doc72ch -3, gas50 -5, hibbie2 -3, Strip -3, tudza -3
(at LEAST 17 lost there alone)

So frame 1 alone we lost 45 lost B-25s bare minimum.


I think there are issues with how it counts bomber formation losses, so far.

No its not wrong at all....it does it exactley like the log does it...if you look at the deaths for your group...it exactley matches the deaths I am showing...

I am more than happy to put in the Drone losses and in fact I am prepared to do that...

Its a matter of choice...do you want the K/D to exactly reflect as AH calculates Deaths and Kills? or do you want to throw in the loss of your drones...

Here is your Drone report for all four frames...have at it....your Kill/Death ratio will fall through the floor....

B-25C Report
=========================
Sorties Count      = 152
B-25C Checked Out  = 456
B-25C Shot Down    = 157
B-25C Lost         = 34
B-25C Vanished     = 2
B-25C Checked In   = 263
=========================
DRONES
Drones Checked Out = 304
Drones Shot Down   = 117
Drones Lost        = 17
Drones Vanished    = 1
Drones Checked In  = 169

[Beefcake]

On the first sortie of frame 4 we had 12 sets of buffs to get wiped out, that's 36 B25's.

I'm not bashing Oneways system but it does seem that the scoring for bombers and their drones is messed up, and I think it's more of a logging system problem rather than Oneways code.

[oneway]

We are in agreement Krusty....

My question is directed a Oneway, applying MA standards I can account for that many deaths in one sortie.

Strip

Knock yourself out...my calculations are completely correct...if you want to add ditched, bailed, and drones to the Death total go for it...

The fact of the matter is that the LOG shows a death is different than a bail out...or a ditch

I guess what you guys want is the KILL/(Shotdown+Ditch+Bailed+Crashed + Drones Lost Ratio)...

That is not a Kill Death Ratio...

Bailing is not a death, ditching is not a death....

B-25C Report
=========================
Sorties Count      = 152
B-25C Checked Out  = 456
B-25C Shot Down    = 157
B-25C Lost         = 34
B-25C Vanished     = 2
B-25C Checked In   = 263
=========================
DRONES
Drones Checked Out = 304
Drones Shot Down   = 117
Drones Lost        = 17
Drones Vanished    = 1
Drones Checked In  = 169

[oneway]

On the first sortie of frame 4 we had 12 sets of buffs to get wiped out, that's 36 B25's.

I'm not bashing Oneways system but it does seem that the scoring for bombers and their drones is messed up, and I think it's more of a logging system problem rather than Oneways code.

Its not the logs either...I can add in Drones if you would like...AH doesn't...I can account what happened to every single drone ...

[oneway]

Dont worry its only me who is attacking him.....

 

I want to know how he arrived at only 25 kills, by any logical yard stick used measure that number is erroneous.

Edit: Part of the problem is I am talking about deaths, you are talking about kills. Can you describe how you compile deaths of bombers when it relates to k/d?

(That way people can compare results?)

Strip

It does not count the drones as a death...its that simple...nor should it...if your so inclined to think that way the B-25C K/D is 0.130, which is a completely pointless stat...