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Offline BnZs

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Game is reaching new lows.
« on: December 21, 2009, 12:06:55 PM »
There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.

I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 12:18:32 PM »
Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob.  It is sad.  In the MA it is just as bad.  Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me.  Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you?  I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.  

Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time.  I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.  
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2009, 12:21:18 PM »
here we go again
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 12:21:32 PM »
do you not have the choice to not up at a capped field?  :bolt:
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 12:23:08 PM »
Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob.  It is sad.  In the MA it is just as bad.  Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me.  Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you?  I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.  

Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time.  I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.  

What gets you is when you go a turn or two in an even fight with a pilot who obviously has a "clue", and then when it looks even slightly bad this pilot switches to "Lame" mode and heads for the ack. Sad that someone can be around long enough to pick up a little skill but still not have enough self-respect to fight it out.

The DA lake is superior to the MA. The DA'ers are there to fight for the most part. Granted, they are there to fight 7-8 on one in perk planes if you let them, and HO like nobody's business, but that is better than nothing.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 12:24:17 PM »
Well, I'm not ready to throw out game-wide proclamations abou the demise of Aces High.

However, I have noticed something the last few times I've flown.  

Twice now I have been deeply involved in a very fun 1v1 only to have someone come in and attack the guy I'm engaged with.  The first time, I actually called out on range and asked everyone to stay out.  But, unfortunately, somebody either didn't care, or didn't care to listen and jumped in anyway.  I suppose the right thing to do would have been to have a temper tantrum at the guy, but I didn't.

The second time it was the same situation except I didn't see the other friendly jumping in until it was too late to call him off.

I've been pretty lucky with finding some good fights, mostly by flying into at least two bad guys alone, and lower.  However, I'm finding it very hard to keep a good, involved 1v1 a 1v1.  

I still wonder how those fights would have gone...

Anyway, I doubt this is something new, but I don't play much anymore and this is what stuck out to me.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2009, 12:25:51 PM »
What gets you is when you go a turn or two in an even fight with a pilot who obviously has a "clue", and then when it looks even slightly bad this pilot switches to "Lame" mode and heads for the ack. Sad that someone can be around long enough to pick up a little skill but still not have enough self-respect to fight it out.

The DA lake is superior to the MA. The DA'ers are there to fight for the most part. Granted, they are there to fight 7-8 on one in perk planes if you let them, and HO like nobody's business, but that is better than nothing.

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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 12:25:55 PM »
Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob.  It is sad.  In the MA it is just as bad.  Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me.  Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you?  I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.  

Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time.  I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.  

Landing taters is always fun  :aok
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 12:28:10 PM »
do you not have the choice to not up at a capped field?  :bolt:

Who said anything about upping at a cap field? Although I constantly try to tell my team-mates when the situation comes up that if they allow the uppers to have just a wee bit of space to get their gear up, build some airspeed and THINK they have a chance, they might be more inclined to keep upping and dying instead of giving up and just parking a flotilla of flaks on the runway while a couple of guys circle in the ack. This makes perfect sense to me, but apparently none to anybody else. Almost none of my kills tour-to-tour are planes sitting on the ground.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2009, 12:29:14 PM »
That is weird. I have no problem finding fights in my Spit Mk XVI  :D

I find people are less willing to fight when I'm in a 109.

There is your hint.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 12:29:34 PM »
Try the AvA tonight. Maybe things will be different, who knows, hasn't been 2+ people in there for a month. Maybe just try it.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 12:31:20 PM »
Try the Ava tonight. Maybe things will be different, who knows, hasn't been 2+ people in there for a month. Maybe just try it.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 12:35:22 PM »
Yesterday there was a big crowd at a friendly base. I was damaged and going to land. There were plenty of cons and friendlies. One of the cons dove through no telling how many of my friendlies to shoot me wheels down as I touched down. I congratulated him on his first ever kill.  :rofl
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 12:36:32 PM »
That is weird. I have no problem finding fights in my Spit Mk XVI  :D

I find people are less willing to fight when I'm in a 109.

There is your hint.

LOL, can't handle the guilt. I have three kills in an XVI this tour. Got a couple of other Spits. Then I followed this poor guy who dove on me with a jug and ton of speed and zoom climbed up and shot him. I mean, there I was, balls to the walls throttle, hanging on the prop, little more torque problems than if I had been in a P-38 or jet. I should have been roped and very dead. I actually apologized to the Jug pilot.
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Re: Game is reaching new lows.
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2009, 12:37:01 PM »
Yesterday there was a big crowd at a friendly base. I was damaged and going to land. There were plenty of cons and friendlies. One of the cons dove through no telling how many of my friendlies to shoot me wheels down as I touched down. I congratulated him on his first ever kill.  :rofl

Bongo did the same thing to me  :furious :furious :furious   :rofl
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