C da Hog go fast

[senna]

If HTC were to get rid of the C hog, I wonder what ACM in the MA would be like when dogfighting with a Corsair. Fighting in a Chog versus a Dhog or any of the standard F4u types would be vastly different in MA. For one, snap shots would not be as an important part of the equation. Chogs would not come streaking across virtual space at optimum speed spitting 20mm death balls. If the Chog were removed, AC would improve in main arena.

-- senna

[Citabria]

be nice if n1k2 and chog were perked  

[Toad]

What we really need is one arena with one plane. That'll finally be the end of "the ****** is way to uber!"

[fscott]

I take it that the same guns on the CHOG are also on the Typhoon and Spitfire? And the Typhoon has a much better flat speed and zoom climb, and equal manueverability. I feel like the guns are a little overdone but I don't know for sure.  It's interesting to note that most pilots preferred the F4-1D model due to it's greater ammo load.

fscott

[StSanta]

Well, the perk prjoect opens up a whole new can of worms - the "is it uber enough to be perked" one.

SHould the Spit XIV be perked? Initial climb rate of 5.1k/min, equal speed to D9, turn performance as good or slightly better than Spit IX (according to that website someone posted in general discussion). Might render all planes obsolete.

Should D9 be perked? It'll catch the P-51 and while it will not outgun or outturn it, it'll outclimb it. It does have some significant vices though giving existing MA planes an advantage that evens the playing field. But who knows, too little?

F4U-4? Also a plane that might render all existing MA planes obsolete.

My point being of course is that we'll get a HUGE number of perk related arguments - heated ones to be sure. We think it's bad now. Just wait and see.

FWIW, N1k and thsjook have some very real shortcomings and should not be perked. The plane balance *as it is* is quite good; in the G10, I do well against certain planes and less well against others. In the A8, it's a different set of planes. In the 190 vs the N1K, I can outrun 'im, and reverse on im at high speeds.

Some of these perk planes will not have a significantly weak area.

I predict much whining, and I predict that I will be part of it.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 11-29-2000).]

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Dito Senna.

[eddiek]

I am against the whole perk plane concept......unless they put the birds back away from the "front", make them fly a while to get to the combat zones, and then make a landing anywhere other than the base they took off from cause them to lose points, and maybe enough to lose use of their "perkability"    
For example, the TA-152 (why am i so against it?  Three combat sorties total.....that's why), if and when it is implemented, should only have one, maybe two planes available per country........why?  Very damned few of them made, and negligible impact on the war.  I would much rather see a ME-163 used as proposed in another post, placed at a base where it could be used for defense only (barring some creative thinking on the pilot's part   ), than planes that were so few in number or saw little, if any, actual combat.  That goes for American planes too........I would dearly love to get a chance to take a Bearcat up, but only if the TA-152 is brought to life.....
I have backed off from AH for the last 2 weeks and counting, waiting to see what is gonna develop......no use in paying money to get ticked off........will wait awhile longer before I return, looks like.
The waters are still muddy from my POV........


[This message has been edited by eddiek (edited 11-29-2000).]

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by eddiek:
For example, the TA-152 (why am i so against it?  Three combat sorties total.....that's why), if and when it is implemented, should only have one, maybe two planes available per country........why?  Very damned few of them made, and negligible impact on the war.  

Sure.

When you limit F4U1-C to 7 planes per country.

[eddiek]

Sounds great to me RAM!
I don't fly the C-hog myself, I prefer to work for my kills and not use the "Sis"panos to guarantee a kill if I can just get one hit..........but this is just my opinion..
Can't we all just get along?  

[juzz]

La-7
F4U-4
F8F-1
P-47M
Tempest V
Spitfire XIV
Me 109G-10(K-4)
Fw 190D-9(MW 50)

All "competitive" with one another, all perk

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P-51H

Don't do it! It's stupidly fast! 444mph at
5,000ft - argh! It would do like 425mph at
sea level! That's 35mph faster than the next
nearest fighter, the Tempest V at 390mph!

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

[Yeager]

The 1D was an extremely worthwhile contender before being shoved into the perpeptual basement with the release of the 1C.

What were they thinking?

Yeager

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by fscott:
I take it that the same guns on the CHOG are also on the Typhoon and Spitfire? And the Typhoon has a much better flat speed and zoom climb, and equal manueverability. I feel like the guns are a little overdone but I don't know for sure

It feels like those are not equally modelled though...
I've flown Typhoon alot and it sure has made me wonder why it didnt blow tanks like F4u C with its four hispanos.. or get kills from 700 yards as easy.

I tried F4u C after that and noticed that tanks were easier to blow up and I did actually get alot kills around 700-800 yards with couple hits.

I don't know were I just lucky with F4u C during my experiencing season or were I unlucky in Typhoon with alot more flights...
(oh.. and first kill that I had in C hog beyond 700 yards, was another Chog, who took just 2 hits, which of one hit wing and another was in tail or on his another wing.. anyway, his right wing was lost from the root for that one hit  )

well.. thats my experience, no need to lie

[Jigster]

I have a feeling it has to do with how far apart the cannons are on those respective planes Fishu.

[Jekyll]

I suppose I can understand HTC's reasoning in introducing the fantasy planeset.

After all, the 1939-44 planes will already be modelled in Air Warrior, Warbirds III (if it ever releases), and WW2OL.

The only part of the flight game genre that AH can grab as its own niche is the 'what-if' planeset of late 1945 etc.  Doesn't look as though any other game designers are looking that late in the war.  And with AH being more expensive than its competitors, I suppose they feel they need to have something a little more 'sexy' than their competitors.

Smart move in a way ... they can incorporate into the AH ranks all those prospective WW2 sim pilots who don't want to bother learning how to take off, trim, manage engines etc, whilst at the same time snatch a few of the 'X Wing/Tie Fighter' brigade who will feel right at home with the F4U1-C cannon