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BF-109 G10/U4
« on: December 23, 2009, 02:25:37 AM »
This is a crucial plane missing from the AH2 planeset. The U4 variant mentioned in the title is the custom made G10 built for bomber destruction. It could be fitted with the BF-110's fuselage 30mm's or a non jettisonable fuel tank on the centre pylon. This would be a brilliant add to the 109 collection due to the enormous boost in firepower ,top speed and agility.

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Type: Fighter Aircraft

First Flight: September of 1935
Wingspan: 32 feet 6.5 inches
Length: 29 feet 8 inches
Height: 8 feet 6 inches
Wing Area: 174 square feet
Weight,Empty: 5,132 pounds
Weight,Loaded: 7,370 pounds

Power: One Daimler-Benz DB 605 D-1,
1,800 horsepower engine
Normal Crew: One

Typical Armament: Two 13 mm MG 131 machine guns;
one 30 mm MK 108 cannon

Performance
Cruise Speed: 310 miles per hour
Top Speed: 429 miles per hour at 24,606 feet
Range: 450 miles at 330 miles per hour
Service Ceiling: 41,000 feet



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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 02:37:52 AM »
As always, they are sexy.   It would make a great addition to AH, like many others that need to fill in the gap.
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 03:09:08 AM »
It would be useless in AH, as a gap filler.  It entered service after the Bf109K-4.

What is needed is a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 08:27:32 AM »
It would be useless in AH, as a gap filler.  It entered service after the Bf109K-4.

What is needed is a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

Disagree.  The G-10 would be useful for scenarios and for its 20mm hub cannon.... Every plane that saw combat in significant numbers is useful.

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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 10:21:39 AM »
cc a G10 is real nice!

no idea why it isnt in the planelist anymore

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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 10:55:39 AM »
I would love a 109 G10, its the 109 that would suit me the most.
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 10:56:40 AM »
+1 looks awesome!

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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 11:13:16 AM »
cc a G10 is real nice!

no idea why it isnt in the planelist anymore
It never really was in the plane list.  There was a Bf109K-4 that was called a Bf109G-10 so that they could give it a 20mm option.
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 11:20:51 AM »
it would be nice to have a G10, or just give us a 20mm loadout for the k4..after all there is loads of varients of spitfire
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 11:27:30 AM »
Nine hours and Wrag hasn't put in an appearance in a 109G10 thread, he's slipping. :D
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 02:20:18 PM »
it would be nice to have a G10, or just give us a 20mm loadout for the k4..after all there is loads of varients of spitfire
One more than we have Bf 109 variants :)

The G-10 would be kind of useless as a gap filler; performance similar to, but worse than the K-4, and introduced about the same time. The only thing it would add would be having a very fast, high altitude 109 with an MG151/20 hub cannon.
To fill that gap I think that the G-6/AS or G-14/AS would be much better suited.

This is a crucial plane missing from the AH2 planeset. The U4 variant mentioned in the title is the custom made G10 built for bomber destruction. It could be fitted with the BF-110's fuselage 30mm's or a non jettisonable fuel tank on the centre pylon. This would be a brilliant add to the 109 collection due to the enormous boost in firepower ,top speed and agility.
Ehhh this is full of inaccurate and misleading stats.

First of all the Bf 109G-10 wasn't anything new per se. It was attempt to bring the last of the Gustav series up to the new standard of the K (well, as close as possible) as a supplement. As a result, a very large number of G-10's were simply converted from old G-6s and G-14s. This meant that the G-10 was the fastest of the G series.... however it still couldn't match the performance of the K-4. It also lacked other features of the K-4 (mostly simple reworks).

Also, the /U4 designation does not mean it was 'custom made for bomber destruction'. In the G-6, G-14 and G-10 (the designation may have been used for other things in earlier models and the K-4), the designation /U4 simply means it has the low velocity 30mm MK108 and the necessary equipment to fire it, as opposed to an MG151/20, as the hub cannon... just like is an option in our G-14 and required in the K-4. The /U4 was hardly a custom variant and probably was produced in higher numbers than MG151/20 G-10's.

The language 'could be fitted with the Bf 110's fuselage 30mms' is highly misleading as that would suggest that they would be stored or 'fitted' in some kind of gondola or pack... and that the MK 108 was an option for a /U4 109. This is not so. The MK108 in the G-10/U4 was just the hub gun like in any other /U4, and was not an option... the aircraft had to be built at the factory like this or go through relatively extensive modifications to switch between an MG151/20 and an MK108.

Also 'or a non jettisonable fuel tank on the centre pylon' is just plain wrong, and would be a stupid idea. Willi Messerschmitt was not particularly stupid :)
Ruestsatz 3, for the G-10, like almost all 109's, was the drop tank rack and necessary fittings to make it work, and it worked the same as it did on all of the other 109 models since it was introduced.

"This would be a brilliant add to the 109 collection due to the enormous boost in firepower ,top speed and agility."
The G-10 carried no more armament nor was more agile than the G-14 or K-4 (I suppose it could be fitted with MG151/20 underwing gondolas however that would be kind of counter-productive), and was no faster than the K-4.
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 03:51:54 PM »
I was always under the impression the G10 flew like a K4 but with 20mm hub cannon :D

in that case...give us the G14 A/S  :noid
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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 04:23:03 PM »
The G-10s had less performance due to many little variations from the K-4. I think they included more weight, more drag, and possibly (don't know if I'm recalling this right) a different version of the engine.

Overall the fastest G10 was somewhere within 10mph of a K-4, but they all could vary so much that the general performance (aside from this "best case speed") were noticably slower.

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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2009, 10:20:55 PM »
In response to Motherlands post.

The Irmer Behalter centerline slipper tank was used on the G-10 U4 to greatly extend fuel range. It was fixed to the pylon.

The gunpack option was used extensively, two MK108's fixed in a belly gun pack synchronised with the prop could be loaded onto the G-10 as an option without any extensive modification.

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Re: BF-109 G10/U4
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 10:38:49 AM »
The gunpack option was used extensively, two MK108's fixed in a belly gun pack synchronised with the prop could be loaded onto the G-10 as an option without any extensive modification.

I'm sorry.. this is just wrong.

The Mk108s could NOT be synchronized. That's why they had to be fired through the prop hub (single mounting on 109s/152s/etc) or between sets of propellors (centerline on bf110s, me410s, etc)