things that are annoying about the n1k2

[Citabria]

turns almost as fast as a zeke and never needs to stop turning. ever.

dives as fast as p51

has 4 cannons and even more ammo in 1.05

has no torque and a 2000 hp engine

is as tough as a p47 and lighter than a 190

has in 1.04 improved altitude performance up to 20k.

gives me fits when i try to fight one co altitude with a p38  

[Ripsnort]

When in Rome.....

[Fishu]

It is that... one plane which didn't historically maneuver that well and was more likely classified as ground attack plane than air to air fighter...

[maik]

I just HAVE to agree on that one Cit.


Maik

[SOB]

turns almost as fast as a zeke and never needs to stop turning. ever.
Yep...that's what it does.

dives as fast as p51
BS...if it did this, I'd be killing a lot more P51s, 190s, F4Us, etc.

has 4 cannons and even more ammo in 1.05
Yep    Big Smiles!  

has no torque and a 2000 hp engine
Don't know about torque effects, except that he usually kills everything in sight, so it's best to find a target that's not within his guns range    Aren't the rest of the planes in the planeset said to be lacking in torque?  Never flown one, don't know the numbers, so I won't comment.

is as tough as a p47 and lighter than a 190
BS, and yes...that's why it turns so well.

has in 1.04 improved altitude performance up to 20k.
Performs like a turd high up...I usually cruise at 10k...much better to let the cons come down to you.


gives me fits when i try to fight one co altitude with a p38  
Yep    I've only fought one P38 at around 20k that I can recall, and it wasn't easy.  I did win, but with an HO, nosing up and ready to drop like a rock...I was almost outta fuel, and it was my last option since he controlled most of the fight.


SOB

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Niki outclimbs P51 at 28k. Just ask Mino and Animal what they saw from a niki last tour.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Hans]

And how much fuel did the N1K and the P51s have when they got into a climbing duel?

Hans

P.S.  The P51 is noted as a poor climber.  Its supposed to stink like that.

[eddiek]

Hans, I think the point of GRUNHERZ's post was this:  Niki performance was supposed to drop off dramatically over 18K, which is one reason the Niki fared so poorly against the streams of B-29's it was sent up against.
P-51 did not see the same dropoff in performance.......so what was someone doing that high in a Niki?  And why did a plane that had a known weakness at extreme alts outperform one that had no such weakness at the same alt?
According to HTC's own performance graphs, at that alt the Niki should have been climbing at right at 1200-1300 fpm, while the P51 whould have been climbing at 1400-1500 fpm.  
Looking closer, I wonder why the Stang pilot didn't just extend?  He had a 120 mph advantage in speed at that alt, about 440 vs 320 (approximates).
Even the Niki's acceleration advantage over the Stang would have been negated due to reduced engine output.  
Another case of the Niki doing things it ought not be able to..........BAD NIKI!  BAD BAD NIKI!  

[brady]

   
    Well the truth hurts, It should have more ammo than it currently does I own about 4 books that say so,also it should carry 4 250kg bombs or 4 60kg bombs, I also have info and references to that effect. U should look on the bright side it's guns have a short range , I have found that to hit anything with any degree of certainty u need to be about 400 yards away from them, and SOB covered the rest so well I need not elaborate further.

     Brady

[Luke Skywalker]

If the fuel loads are simulated in AH(And I think they are) , the niki was in fumes and the P51 had an apreciable ammount of fuel that advantage could be negated....

or maybe I'm wrong, I dont know.

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[GRUNHERZ]

Hi


I was flyin that niki at 28k and hunting for buffs and had a bunch of gas laft as I used DT for vast majority of the climb, the P51s did try to extend but in order to fight me they had to come back. When they did I had no trouble in easly keeping behind them in the climb and actually CLOSING the distance, this wasnt lag as we both noticed it on our range finders. Something is not right about that plane. The "official" performance figures on it might be accurate, but someting in the way its performance translates in AH FM is very innacurate when it comes to vertical ablity, E retention, and stalling out at steep climbs. If you think about it all thes anomilies everyone reports about the niki have roughly to do with the same element, something is messed up in niki ability to climb, not stall, go vertical, and loose no E.  I dont know how the AH FM is programmed or how it works, but all those factors are clearly related to each other and HTC should look it over.

thanks GRUNHERZ

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[RAM]

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[eddiek]

Just so that I will know once and for all, what was HT's original ammo loadout for the Niki?
I flew the Niki exclusively when I started flying AH back in March......seems like it had "200" in both the primary and secondary weapon's ammo counter.  
I was doing some furrballing one night, after we got the hot rearm points, and after I rearmed, I had "400" in one counter, and "200" in the other.  Or maybe I just never noticed it before.
What is the normal ammo load now?

[juzz]

What was the fuel state of the P-51's? What speed did they climb at? Were you climbing at the same angle, or actually climbing at a flatter angle, which would make you appear to gain, even though you are lower...

Because the N1K2-J doesn't climb at the same rate as a P-51D at 25,000ft when both have 100% fuel. The P-51D is about 300fpm faster when both climb at 155mph IAS.

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Their fuel was probably like mine or even better, the field was close to the front so neither of us went very far to the fight. My tanks were nearly full, so the P51s fuel state is almost irrelevant as it would at most roughly the same and probably somewhat better. Again I cant say that the niki climbs XXXX fpm faster than it could in RL, or that its performance figures are incorrect , however it is obvious to most people who take an unbiased view of the plane that something is off in its overall vertical flight profile. This isnt so unusual guys last time it was obvious that the 190A5 had FM issues, now its nikis. I flew it plenty in the last few tours, and they just dont feel the same as other aircraft in the vertical, I honestly cant say what it is but thats my gut feeling about the niki FM. Actually the niki FM reminds me most of the Spit IX FM from JanesWW2 Fighters, which if you dont know has a very arcadish FM. Janes FM was probably pretty accurate to the overall performance numbers ie speed, climb rate etc, but the planes could maintain verticals forever, then have a very gentle stall, followed by an almost immediate recovery and return to a steep vertical climb. Sound familliar? I flew WW2Fiters online almost daily for 1.5 years before coming here so plese belive me I know what im talking about when I compare the niki FM to the Janes spitIX. HTC please look into the vertical flight profile of niki, I dont pretend to be an aerodynamics expert, but something is wrong with the niki FM in this high-end High accuracy sim if it closely rsembles the arcadish FM of a less sophisticated game.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[This message has been edited by GRUNHERZ (edited 12-02-2000).]