Fw 190A-8 Too Slow!

[funked]

I did some testing, and it's too slow.

Here are my WEP results (altitude and speed).  Yes I used the correct conversion factors.

0   350
18   391
20   392
23   394

The SL figure is OK.
The 18k value should be about 402.
The 20k value should be about 408.
The 23k value is about right.

Looks like it's about 15 mph too slow in its critical altitude range.

DOH!


Even if they get the A-8 right, why not let's have the A-4?

The British RAE got the following figures for a captured Fw 190A-4:

Fw 190A-4 (WEP)   
0   352
5   371
10   365
15   390
20   415
20.8   420
25   410
30   395


Honey who shrunk the flight model?

[weretiger]

I do agree with funked

The the A4 is is talking about was without the 2 mg FF in the wing

From my own research.
(I am waiting from some document)
the A8 you describe is correct if you consider that it is A8 R2 or R8 if you take the 108 in the wing.
Its weigth was betwen 4.4 and 4.5 tones.
i muster that the normally armoured A8 was about 4.2 tones.

[SnakeEyes]

Not that we can't improve things... but you realize that's less than 5% off, right?

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[funked]

Yeah I realize that.  I'm not gonna stop playing AH because of it or anything.  I guess I'll just pretend the shipment of C3 fuel didn't come through on time, or I have bad spark plugs or something.    

Also weretiger has a point - if we are flying an A-8/R8 with all the armor then the performance should suffer.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-19-1999).]

[fats]

I doubt we get any of the armor on Sturm, just the guns.


//fats

[SnakeEyes]

PS - I know that the 190 is pretty much a dog above 25K, but am I the only one scratching my head when I hear the stall shudders at 30K while I'm doing about 200 IAS in a 2 or maybe 3G turn?

And jesus...  someone told me that they got a B17 to 34K with a full eggload.  

In a general sense, this reminds me of WB where the fidelity of the modeling decreases substantially at higher alts (IMO).

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SnakeEyes
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[214CaveJ]

I dinnae take my 190 much above 27k because it just stalls way to easy for my tastes.

As for the 17s at alt, I've had one up to 41k with a load of 12 500lb eggs =)

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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base.         -  Hoffman Nickerson

[Fishu]

When I've been flying with 4x20mm, I have also felt bit slower than it should be, when I have cruised with wep for long time at 20k, never reached over 405-408mph

[juzz]

Ugh! I just encountered 2 such B17's, merrily flying along at 35-40k while my Bf109G10 or Spit 9 struggles to stay in level flight   Gimme the Ta152H or Me163B, then I might have a chance of getting at them  

[Werewolf]

Yes!!! The 17s are getting too high IMHO. I tried to get over 35k but it is nearly impossible with the 109-G10 and 190A. They are some kind of invulnerable up there.

Reduce their max ceiling

or

give us 10,5cm Ack

or

increase altitude performance of LW

or

give us the Ta 152, 109K

The last would be my favourite solution  

Werewo

[funked]

The Fw 190A should be bad above 30k but you should be able to reach 37k or so.

They never really got very good altitude performance out it.  The Fw 190D-9 was a little better but not great.  Some of the A's used GM 1 to increase critical altitude but this wasn't common.

Ta 152 solved the problem but too late.  Fortunately RLM geniuses didn't allocate the Jumo 213 and DB 603 engines to Tank until it was too late.

[Fishu]

Personally I doubt attacks of B-17s at 40k, thats something what I laughed at when I did my bombings that high first time.
What I've been reading, they mostly flew like 15-25k in formations...
Yeah, can't do berlin raids at 40k.

[Lephturn]

Clouds could make this interesting.

HT is working on more clouds and possibly cloud layers.  Try buffing from 40k through the soup.  



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Lephturn
The Flying Pigs

[fats]

I once spent whole fuel tank climbing upto a bomber which handily out climbed and out run me to 35000+ feet. I couldn't get the A-8 even past 30K or so.


//fats

[Minotaur]

Fats;

The P-51 is not much different at chasing a high B-17.  You  just chase longer not catching, because of better fuel economy.

Mino