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Offline DREDger

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Modern High Seas Piracy
« on: January 03, 2010, 09:21:43 AM »
Is anyone familiar with maritime customs/procedures.

It seems to me the easiest way to foil these new Somali speedboat attacks against maritime ships is to arm those ships with a .50 caliber or a 20mm. 

Of course this is an obvious solution, so there must be some reason why this isn't done.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 09:34:55 AM »
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 09:44:10 AM »
ok, here's your reason:

You're the captain of a.....let's say Korean cargo ship.  You stick a .50cal on the bow......and then while you're sailing towards Tokyo to drop some octopus tails off a Japanese destroyer runs a parallel course and instructs you that there ain't no way in hell you're sailing a boat into Tokyo harbour with that thing on the bow.  Take it off now.

Or.....Chinese boat sailing for San Francisco with a 3" gun on the bow.

Or.....any other combination of arms and international tension that's gonna give any harbour master in the world cause to not want an armed merchant vessel in his port.


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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2010, 11:07:37 AM »
ok, here's your reason:

You're the captain of a.....let's say Korean cargo ship.  You stick a .50cal on the bow......and then while you're sailing towards Tokyo to drop some octopus tails off a Japanese destroyer runs a parallel course and instructs you that there ain't no way in hell you're sailing a boat into Tokyo harbour with that thing on the bow.  Take it off now.

Sure I can see that being a problem.  But a gun like a .50 cal can be placed on and off a mount by one or two people.  So when in dangerous waters like off the Somali coast, or the straights of Malaca, why not have the gun mounted and ready.  But when you get to a peaceful port, just stow the gun(s) in the hold?

There must be some maritime law that says if you're a cargo vessel or not a ship of war, you cannot have weapons on board.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2010, 11:21:05 AM »
Seems logical to me Dred...it's not like the enemy vessels are armed to the teeth, they've got 3 guns maybe...only takes 1 to take it down.
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2010, 11:48:43 AM »
ship convoys protected by warships also blockade of the pirate ports.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 01:18:44 PM »
Sure I can see that being a problem.  But a gun like a .50 cal can be placed on and off a mount by one or two people.  So when in dangerous waters like off the Somali coast, or the straights of Malaca, why not have the gun mounted and ready.  But when you get to a peaceful port, just stow the gun(s) in the hold?

There must be some maritime law that says if you're a cargo vessel or not a ship of war, you cannot have weapons on board.

Yeah see, the thing is.....a .50cal example isn't a good one cos a single .50cal isn't really going to be that effective.  You've got a manually aimed .50cal and they've got.....what, small arms and RPGs?  Somali's start taking .50cal fire and what'll happen is they'll upscale with longer ranged weapons and start punching holes in boats from distance.

Shipping companies don't want big holes punched in their boats.

The real way to go would be a longer ranged, computer assisted gun of some sort.  Don't ask me, I'm no expert on maritime weaponry (uncle of mine was a weapons chief aboard HMS Leander, I'll ask him some time) but something more hard mounted would seem necessary rather than a soft mounted, removable .50cal.  And that's what would get objected to.

The other problem you've got is when are merchant vessels allowed to open fire?  How about a Chinese cargo ship with no actual cargo on boat sailing around the waters of Taiwan opening fire on anything that looked a bit shifty?  ie, anything with a Taiwanese flag?

etc, etc.

I also suspect insurance companies might object to lots of high explosive rounds being carried around the seven seas and stored next to the smoking area.  Being very general here but you get the idea.



Now, what is happening is certain cargo companies are hiring permanent additions to the crews of some vessels in the way of ex military shooters.  Pirate boat comes close, they start taking accurate small arms fire.  Someone told me some governments have objected to this practice but the companies involved have ignored them (good!).  So far it's only American companies taking part in this practice.  Go Yanks I say.
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 01:21:04 PM »
Yeah see, the thing is.....a .50cal example isn't a good one cos a single .50cal isn't really going to be that effective.  You've got a manually aimed .50cal and they've got.....what, small arms and RPGs?  Somali's start taking .50cal fire and what'll happen is they'll upscale with longer ranged weapons and start punching holes in boats from distance.

Shipping companies don't want big holes punched in their boats.

The real way to go would be a longer ranged, computer assisted gun of some sort.  Don't ask me, I'm no expert on maritime weaponry (uncle of mine was a weapons chief aboard HMS Leander, I'll ask him some time) but something more hard mounted would seem necessary rather than a soft mounted, removable .50cal.  And that's what would get objected to.




You kind of just contradicted yourself...you said a gun that shows all the time would be bad, but you just said it'd be good...
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 01:26:28 PM »
Nah what I said was if you're gonna mount a gun it needs to be a BIG one.  And unfortunately a big gun gets objected to.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 01:53:27 PM »
I watched a show about this on the History Channel. They said some Cargo and crusie liners are hiring private security firms to protect them.

And the U.S. Coast Guard does there part by escorting ships through dangrous areas and into busy harbor areas.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 01:59:57 PM »
Forgive my ignorance but......what dangerous areas are there around the US coast that the US coastguard escorts ships through?

Are we talking around the Florida Keys and such?

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 02:27:11 PM »
The real way to go would be a longer ranged, computer assisted gun of some sort.  Don't ask me, I'm no expert on maritime weaponry (uncle of mine was a weapons chief aboard HMS Leander, I'll ask him some time) but something more hard mounted would seem necessary rather than a soft mounted, removable .50cal.  And that's what would get objected to.

Mmmmh...Phalanx.
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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 03:25:44 PM »
Yeah see, the thing is.....a .50cal example isn't a good one cos a single .50cal isn't really going to be that effective.  You've got a manually aimed .50cal and they've got.....what, small arms and RPGs?  Somali's start taking .50cal fire and what'll happen is they'll upscale with longer ranged weapons and start punching holes in boats from distance.

hard to believe that you English once ruled the seas.

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Re: Modern High Seas Piracy
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 03:26:52 PM »
Mmmmh...Phalanx.
Yeah. Imagine seein two of those on a cruise ship in place of those radar thingies.
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