Dueling vs MA fighting

[dedalos]

What I don't understand is how this completely artificial co-alt guns-free merge to start helps you at all when so few fights start that way in any other situation. 

Its like saying, "I don;t understand how shooting 3 pointers for an hour every day could help my shooting? I mean, I am never this wide open in a real game!"

Does this explain it a little better?

[Shane]

It honestly comes down to a matter of lots of practice/experience and your inherent "talents" - with a minor nod towards equipment/setup. Skyrock pretty much nailed how it will pay off in a broader MA-type environment.

Remember, it's okay to FAIL - the cyber chicks down at the virtual bar couldn't possibly think any less of you.  

*If* my gunnery were even a tad better, I'd have been almost as awesome as Levi (except I wouldn't have been surrounded by a mini-horde saving my bacon.                        )

[uptown]

What I don't understand is how this completely artificial co-alt guns-free merge to start helps you at all when so few fights start that way in any other situation. 

If you're in the fight and not on a perch, pretty much all fights start out this way. Dueling teaches merges. Merges dictate fights. Dictate the fight and you win. Atleast that's the way I see it. 

[humble]

In then end you only really have two choices. Only attack from a position of advantage or learn to manufacture an advantage from an equal or inferior position. "Dueling" helps develop both of those skills.

[Shuffler]

In then end you only really have two choices. Only attack from a position of advantage or learn to manufacture an advantage from an equal or inferior position. "Dueling" helps develop both of those skills.

[Saurdaukar]

In then end you only really have two choices. Only attack from a position of advantage or learn to manufacture an advantage from an equal or inferior position. "Dueling" helps develop both of those skills.

This.

[Flench]

i prefer Boyd's "Aerial Attack Study." it is more to the point imo ...

http://www.lulu.com/content/6166593

but when suggesting things to learn i tend to start pilots at the beginning and refer them to Ozzy ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicta_Boelcke

your easiest path to success is flying smart ...

"check six" is directed to virtual combat and is also worth a look as well imo ...

http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=18638

Hey thx thorsim 

[TonyJoey]

In then end you only really have two choices. Only attack from a position of advantage or learn to manufacture an advantage from an equal or inferior position. "Dueling" helps develop both of those skills.

 

[Stiglr]

Its like saying, "I don;t understand how shooting 3 pointers for an hour every day could help my shooting? I mean, I am never this wide open in a real game!"

Does this explain it a little better?

Yeah it does... but the point you're missing is, practicing 3-pointers with nobody guarding you (non-game conditions) isn't the same as doing it with the real game on the line. Yeah, it *helps* to get the reps for shooting techniques but 'the real situation' is always something else.

Dueling is so artificial that even the initial ANGLES (HO, passing close on the cold merge) are staged and unrealistic. Since your real life isn't on the line in a flight sim, well, you learn from fighting (and sometimes dying) in various situations during missions.

[Shuffler]

Yeah it does... but the point you're missing is, practicing 3-pointers with nobody guarding you (non-game conditions) isn't the same as doing it with the real game on the line. Yeah, it *helps* to get the reps for shooting techniques but 'the real situation' is always something else.

Dueling is so artificial that even the initial ANGLES (HO, passing close on the cold merge) are staged and unrealistic. Since your real life isn't on the line in a flight sim, well, you learn from fighting (and sometimes dying) in various situations during missions.

In the MAs you might have a particular situation once a week..... might take a year of failing to find one possible solution to counter.  In Dueling you can setup that situation over and over and perfect your moves to fruition in a few of hours.

[Shane]

Yeah it does... but the point you're missing is, practicing 3-pointers with nobody guarding you (non-game conditions) isn't the same as doing it with the real game on the line. Yeah, it *helps* to get the reps for shooting techniques but 'the real situation' is always something else.

Dueling is so artificial that even the initial ANGLES (HO, passing close on the cold merge) are staged and unrealistic. Since your real life isn't on the line in a flight sim, well, you learn from fighting (and sometimes dying) in various situations during missions.

There no law that says a Duel *has* to be done a certain way.  There's a standardized set of rules that are generally accepted and "expected" in the absence of any stated or desired deviations.


I've often done mismatched duels in any combination of planes or engagement parameters. 

[Steve]

*If* my gunnery were even a tad better, I'd have been almost as awesome as Levi

Careful, if you blow too hard on that horn you're tooting, you might get a hernia.     

[dedalos]

Yeah it does... but the point you're missing is, practicing 3-pointers with nobody guarding you (non-game conditions) isn't the same as doing it with the real game on the line. Yeah, it *helps* to get the reps for shooting techniques but 'the real situation' is always something else.

That is why you do both.  Practice first, then play the game.  In your opinion who is going to do better?  The guy that did an hour of 3s and and hour of game play or the guy that does 2 hours of game play?  He may not even get the ball once in those two hours lol

[BnZs]

Basketball isn't a good comparison to the MA. They are pretty rigid about even-numbered teams in basketball. MA-style basketball would consist mostly of seven playing against one guy, with  no refs and constant flagrant fouls.

Yeah it does... but the point you're missing is, practicing 3-pointers with nobody guarding you (non-game conditions) isn't the same as doing it with the real game on the line. Yeah, it *helps* to get the reps for shooting techniques but 'the real situation' is always something else.

Dueling is so artificial that even the initial ANGLES (HO, passing close on the cold merge) are staged and unrealistic. Since your real life isn't on the line in a flight sim, well, you learn from fighting (and sometimes dying) in various situations during missions.

[dedalos]

Basketball isn't a good comparison to the MA. They are pretty rigid about even-numbered teams in basketball. MA-style basketball would consist mostly of seven playing against one guy, with  no refs and constant flagrant fouls.

Ever play outside? lol.  You just described 21.  In any case, I am trying to explain how practice could make you better.  Not comparing the two.  But hey, you do what you think is best for you and i ll do the same for me