Dueling vs MA fighting

[JunkyII]

Dueling certainly helps one become a monster in the game but it doesn't teach one everything you need to know.

Some of the best duelers in the game, guys who can fly circles around just about everyone else, tend to get picked a lot in the MA.

MA related SA is not something one will learn while dueling 1v1.  I know guys who fly into a mass of planes and call out a single plane "I got the C-hog" then ignore the rest of the bunch. In the middle of the furball 1 of two things, or both, will happen. Someone else will get a solution on the duelers target and kill them, inducing a raging tirade from said dueler. Or the dueler will get picked, inducing a raging tirade from said dueler. You can count on it like the sun, a challenge to the DA will follow, as if the DA is somehow the place where one is proclaimed a good stick in the game in spite of the fact that over 90% of the fights that happen in the game happen in the MA.  This almost never fails to amuse me. I'm fallible too though, every once in a while I fall into the same trap although less and less frequently.  Later, I laugh at myself.

I've winged with these duelers as we approach a group of 5 or 6 planes.  "I've got the Ki" says the dueler. Am I supposed to handle the remaining 4 or 5 planes while you duel?    

You are correct you wont learn the skill of MA SA in the DA, but if someone is smart enough to learn what it takes to be a "best dueler" I am sure they can learn how to "control" a furball and get kills without dieing in the MA.

[Steve]

You are correct you wont learn the skill of MA SA in the DA, but if someone is smart enough to learn what it takes to be a "best dueler" I am sure they can learn how to "control" a furball and get kills without dieing in the MA.

Well you could be right.. but it sems to be the case in some. Some people have bad SA, some people don't care if they get picked, others are too lazy to look around(I think).  It all ends up the same.. they get picked in a furball often.

[uptown]

Furball lake in the DA is great SA practice imo. As lame as it can get there, it does have it's benefits.

[uptown]

I see you bought that line of bull over what you know to be true. You always were a little on the slow side but Im still holding out hope you will wake up one day.

Whats really sad is you thinking your all that. 

You're dismissed VOSS

[grizz441]

Dueling certainly helps one become a monster in the game but it doesn't teach one everything you need to know.

Some of the best duelers in the game, guys who can fly circles around just about everyone else, tend to get picked a lot in the MA.

MA related SA is not something one will learn while dueling 1v1.  I know guys who fly into a mass of planes and call out a single plane "I got the C-hog" then ignore the rest of the bunch. In the middle of the furball 1 of two things, or both, will happen. Someone else will get a solution on the duelers target and kill them, inducing a raging tirade from said dueler. Or the dueler will get picked, inducing a raging tirade from said dueler. You can count on it like the sun, a challenge to the DA will follow, as if the DA is somehow the place where one is proclaimed a good stick in the game in spite of the fact that over 90% of the fights that happen in the game happen in the MA.  This almost never fails to amuse me. I'm fallible too though, every once in a while I fall into the same trap although less and less frequently.  Later, I laugh at myself.

I've winged with these duelers as we approach a group of 5 or 6 planes.  "I've got the Ki" says the dueler. Am I supposed to handle the remaining 4 or 5 planes while you duel?    

  +1 So true.

There are plenty of situations where 1v1s,1v2s arise, but like you say, The more planes there are in an engagement, the less important ACM becomes and more important SA comes.

[thorsim]

when i first got here i was amazed how piss poor the teamwork in a fight could be, the general Macho Lone Wolf Attitude that is so pervasive here explains it.  i got so frustrated with the crappy drags of guys begging for help i swear i wanted to shoot many of them myself.  there is so much more to being good at this stuff than what you can learn from dueling that such personal combat kills are probably no higher than 5th in what makes one a good player IMO.

it is funny though it is like a mood thing as if someone starts making efforts to work a fur-ball together it gets contagious and all of a sudden the "good guys" just start to clean up ...

funny though how so many proponents of personal combat skill over all else rationalize their arguments, like steve says i would much prefer to fly and work with a bunch of mediocre to competent pilots who communicate well and want to work together, than a gaggle of self absorbed wunder~piwets all trying to carve themselves a duel out of a fur-ball at the expense of the rest of his team.  

really good virtual pilots are so easy to fight with that they make everyone else on their team around them better without hardly saying a word.    

[grizz441]

Balance is the key for me.  I do know one thing is certain though, on average, the dueling/furball guys who get picked off most the time are doing so as a result of their own indifference and pure desire to just mix it up.  A lot of these guys are very skilled and could fly with more strategy and SA if they so chose to do.  Take Corky for example.  It just bores them to death, nothing wrong with that in the least bit, encouraging the fight, kudos to them.  The other side of the coin however, your Chalenge's for example.  Guys that will avoid fights at any cost if there's a 5% chance of death, these guys have good SA and ability to stay alive.  I don't however, think these guys know much if anything at all about ACM and actually maneuvering their aircraft in an advantageless position.  Prove me wrong though Chalenge, fight me in the DA, if you demonstrate that you do know how to do anything other than pick, I will vouch for you in that sense that you do have some skills.  Until then, you're probably going to get jabbed until the end of time on these boards.   

I'll usually avoid situations if there is higher than a 60-70% chance of death(subjective but my brain works out those things instinctively and translates them into stats, as I usually die >50% of the time ), but will go in guns a blazing if I have a reasonable chance of success.  That's how I have fun in this game, a good balance between SA and aggression.

[thorsim]

I'll usually avoid situations if there is higher than a 60-70% chance of death(subjective but my brain works out those things instinctively and translates them into stats, as I usually die >50% of the time ), but will go in guns a blazing if I have a reasonable chance of success.  That's how I have fun in this game, a good balance between SA and aggression.

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[Ack-Ack]

Lol you have always run even with altitude and no you never have gotten close to my Tempest or you would have died of fright.

No one has gotten close to your Tempest, no one wants to waste time grabbing to 35k to chase a timid player.


ack-ack

[JunkyII]

No one has gotten close to your Tempest, no one wants to waste time grabbing to 35k to chase a timid player.


ack-ack

I dont know where he gets his kills from in the MA, for how many times I have seen him online....I have yet to come across him, but I spend maybe 5% of my flight time above the clouds....if that

[Shuffler]

Alt is not a crutch, it's a historic and time tested ADVANTAGE, just like speed, and just like good SA.

I'd argue that "hair on fire" furballing is pretty much game gaming, as the pilots who rely on that wouldn't do the same if their real lives were on the line. On the opposite side of that coin, a nice unseen bounce or a calculated B&Z from altitude is a "risk" most of us would take if we were literally risking our real ONE life.

And by the way, although I crave the "easy" unseen kill (not always easy when there are icons), and prefer a one- or two-pass boom and zoom kill to a 5-minute turn til you puke scrap... I'm far from helpless in a knife-fight. Just last week, I killed an Oscar "knifefighting" while in a damaged SBD Dauntless, and there was a Ki-45 Toryu helping out the Ki driver. There I had no choice but to mix it up, as I surely wasn't able to run for it.

Obviously new and has no clue yet.

[Guppy35]

I dont know where he gets his kills from in the MA, for how many times I have seen him online....I have yet to come across him, but I spend maybe 5% of my flight time above the clouds....if that

He got me the other night in his Tempest.  Some of us upping into the mob trying to take a base.  He screamed through and picked me after the guys actually fighting had gotten me nice, low and slow.  He was back on his perch quickly

[Ack-Ack]

He was back on his perch quickly

That's because it's a widely known fact that at 35k, scorpions can't bite you.


ack-ack

[Agent360]

Dueling certainly helps one become a monster in the game but it doesn't teach one everything you need to know.

Some of the best duelers in the game, guys who can fly circles around just about everyone else, tend to get picked a lot in the MA.

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I've winged with these duelers as we approach a group of 5 or 6 planes.  "I've got the Ki" says Agent360. Am I supposed to handle the remaining 4 or 5 planes while you duel?    

Steve - stop picking on me 

[Chalenge]

You're dismissed VOSS

You know Town I always thought you would amount to more than you are but now your name calling proves only one thing... you arent worth it and never were. Take the boys here out for a viewing of Rocky Horror and take a good look around.