Dueling vs MA fighting

[thorsim]

who is calling who inferior ...

besides the stats that is ...

to think you can judge someone by there "stats" and think they are an inferior stick....well, shows you got a long way to grow.

[Ack-Ack]

you suggest you think i don't know things when the average stats suggest you are the inferior player ...

you do realize the M in ACM does not stand for moxy don't you ?

One of the biggest mistakes one can make is to judge another persons skill by just looking at their stats/rank/score.  Those are just meaningless set of numbers that really don't mean anything at all.  It's usually not the guy in the Top 10 you have to look out for, it's the guy in the Top 2000 that's probably the real killer.

ack-ack

[thorsim]

it is very interesting that the "assumption of inferiority" is so common here amongst so many,
about so many things.

many here freely disparage or the skills of players who play the game different, players who play different games, players who have different opinions about different things ... etc.

yet it is questioned so quickly when it is someone in "the club" who appears to be disparaged, especially when some data seems to support that assumption.

[Ack-Ack]

it is very interesting that the "assumption of inferiority" is so common here amongst so many,
about so many things.

many here freely disparage or the skills of players who play the game different, players who play different games, players who have different opinions about different things ... etc.

yet it is questioned so quickly when it is someone in "the club" who appears to be disparaged, especially when some data seems to support that assumption.

The problem with the 'data' is that its not accurate for judging one's skill.  I'm sure if you look at both of our stats for the LW and MW arenas, you'll probably have the better stats between us and gives you the false impression that the more skillful player has the better stats, which would be incorrect.

Look at this player's stats from last tour in the MW arena.  As Dedalos mentioned in another thread, this player clearly manipulated the scoring system to achieve a top fighter rank.  According to the 'data' this player is an experten but in reality this player would be extremely hard pressed to win any sort of fight and one would hardly consider him to be skilled in anything other than manipulating the scoring system.

In short, the score/stats/rank system is not an indicator of player's skill and any assumption about a player's skill should not be derived by this 'data'.


ack-ack

[thorsim]

not really interested in the little "p-ing" contests in here.

the constant "you don't know this or that" and "you are not very good" just gets old real fast

you all would come across a lot better if you laid off the unfounded personal judgments and stuck to your points on their merits alone.

[uptown]

Stats   I can probably get and hold a 10 to 1 K/D if i flew a tempest and flew it "smartly" And haven't got a clue in a fight against some of the folks in this thread.  People see someone K/D is 17 to 1 and go, "Woot! he's good!". When all they really did is spent the weekend buff hunting at 30K......pffffff    

[dedalos]

it is very interesting that the "assumption of inferiority" is so common here amongst so many,
about so many things.

many here freely disparage or the skills of players who play the game different, players who play different games, players who have different opinions about different things ... etc.

yet it is questioned so quickly when it is someone in "the club" who appears to be disparaged, especially when some data seems to support that assumption.

Well, I finally got to fight you last week in the AvA.  I think the score is like 4 or 5 to nothing?  If I remember correctly (and i think films do remember correctly) you died every single time you engaged.  And it was in the smart / skill flying scenario you guys are promoting.  Meaning, I was BZ with two others when you came in and once they died you made a run for it.  You did not even figure out that you could not out run the LA5.  So what happened?  How come the DA guy beat you?  I mean, since I like dueling, according to you guys I should not be able to handle a "realistic" scenario especially by flying stupid like that.

One thing you could take out of this is that had you been practicing 1 vs 1 you would not have to just die running.  At some point you could have tried and turn and take a chance instead of just fly straight hoping I hit a tree.  So yeah, no question really when it comes to skill, you would not even try  

[uptown]

  thor is that true 

[Wmaker]

"Hawk75's exceptional kill ratio in french service (220+/19)"

French did suprisingly well with their Curtiss Hawks but they definately lost more than 19 Hawks.

[humble]

it is very interesting that the "assumption of inferiority" is so common here amongst so many,
about so many things.

many here freely disparage or the skills of players who play the game different, players who play different games, players who have different opinions about different things ... etc.

yet it is questioned so quickly when it is someone in "the club" who appears to be disparaged, especially when some data seems to support that assumption.

I couldn't agree with you anymore....my k/d ratio over the weekend was .67 (19/28) and I was probably lucky to get some of those 19 pelts.

[SEraider]

Well, I finally got to fight you last week in the AvA.  I think the score is like 4 or 5 to nothing?  If I remember correctly (and i think films do remember correctly) you died every single time you engaged.  And it was in the smart / skill flying scenario you guys are promoting.  Meaning, I was BZ with two others when you came in and once they died you made a run for it.  You did not even figure out that you could not out run the LA5.  So what happened?  How come the DA guy beat you?  I mean, since I like dueling, according to you guys I should not be able to handle a "realistic" scenario especially by flying stupid like that.

One thing you could take out of this is that had you been practicing 1 vs 1 you would not have to just dierunning.  At some point you could have tried and turn and take a chance instead of just fly straight hoping I hit a tree.  So yeah, no question really when it comes to skill, you would not even try  

Just Die!!!!! I like it I like it... 

[humble]

"Hawk75's exceptional kill ratio in french service (220+/19)"

French did suprisingly well with their Curtiss Hawks but they definately lost more than 19 Hawks.

Whoops combat loses were 29 planes (my bad) with 230 confirmed and 80 probable. Obviously all sides had issues with over claiming but the losses are pretty well documented. Fin's had 158+ vs 15 losses or something close to that. Would be another great addition to the game IMO.

[thorsim]

yea it's true in those massive fur-balls i was having the most trouble with the la5s and the m-16s people were running to, however in that night of goofing off i was 17-12 ...

and i often thought extending to help vs. superior enemy numbers or when stale and a late comer was inbound was my best option in my G-6 with pods

however i am not here saying i am better than anyone, or that anyone else is no good.

Well, I finally got to fight you last week in the AvA.  I think the score is like 4 or 5 to nothing?  If I remember correctly (and i think films do remember correctly) you died every single time you engaged.  And it was in the smart / skill flying scenario you guys are promoting.  Meaning, I was BZ with two others when you came in and once they died you made a run for it.  You did not even figure out that you could not out run the LA5.  So what happened?  How come the DA guy beat you?  I mean, since I like dueling, according to you guys I should not be able to handle a "realistic" scenario especially by flying stupid like that.

One thing you could take out of this is that had you been practicing 1 vs 1 you would not have to just die running.  At some point you could have tried and turn and take a chance instead of just fly straight hoping I hit a tree.  So yeah, no question really when it comes to skill, you would not even try  

[Ack-Ack]

"Hawk75's exceptional kill ratio in french service (220+/19)"

French did suprisingly well with their Curtiss Hawks but they definately lost more than 19 Hawks.

They didn't enjoy such success against the Wildcat in North Africa, only 7 kills for the loss of 15 H75s.


ack-ack

[Lusche]

Stats   I can probably get and hold a 10 to 1 K/D if i flew a tempest and flew it "smartly"  

And your stats would tell us that you did exactly that.

Score & Stats often (not always) actually can tell us about a player... if you take a look at the whole picture and are not staring at the rank # or the tremendously overrated K/D ratio alone.

The example Akak presented is such a case: You only are tempted to say "wow" if you don't notice that this very player did fly one sortie in fighter and all others in attack mode. That completely changes the picture, and this we can tell just from his stats.
A high K/D but a very low K/H indicates a player is spending a lot of time looking for opportunities and doesn't hurl himself into the next furball. Has he lot of bomber kills and a relatively high hit% too? In that case you can see he's a bomber killer, crusing at high alts.

One  tour I had a very good K/D and k/H... but you could easily tell how that was done when you noticed the fact that I had ~90% of my "fighter mode kills" in 262 and 163, and you could see I was for the most part just slaughtering buffs, which put my "good" score in perspective quickly. All that you could easily deduce from the stats.

Stats can tell us a story... just put them in relation to each other, and don't let petty prejudices take over your judgement.