Typhoon v Tempest

[Nashwan]

I would like to remind Vermillion of something he said about the Typhoon in an earlier post:
Here's the friendly bet.

I bet that within the first two weeks of its introduction, the Tiffy will be within the top 3 in rankings in Kills/Death of all fighters in the game.

If I'm wrong, I will fly nothing but the Tiffy for two straight weeks in the arena. Which should be a horrible sentence if your right.
I've just checked the scores, and the Tiffie has a negative K/D ratio against all but 1 of the other fighters in the game. Care to accept your penance Vermillion?
Now that the Typhoon has proved to be the failure that history and RAF dweebs said it would be, are there plans to introduce a competitive late war Britsh plane? Because at the moment the only RAF plane with a positive K/D ratio is the Spit IX, and that just barely.

[Zigrat]

PLEASE you saying the spit9 isnt competitive? If we had the spit XIV it would dominate, completely. Its a wonderful plane, but do we really want it?

[Vermillion]

But the problem was Nashwan is that you guys didn't take me up on the bet. It was an all or nothing deal, which you failed to quote as part of my post.

And later in the same thread, I pointed out that you guys didn't take me up on it.

See... you guys would have won.

But you gotta bet to win  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Replicant]

lol Vermillon  


Regards

'Nexx'

[funked]

How did you get scoring info on the Tiffie?  When I look in those drop-down lists I don't see Typhoon listed.

Also keep in mind that Typhoons are used largely for air-ground sorties so there are many "kills" of Typhoons by other "planes" that are actually kills by the AAA.  But for some unfathomable reason the kills are assigned to the nearest ack-hugger...

[Bombjack]

The Spit 14 wouldn't "dominate completely" any more than the 109G10 "dominates completely".

It's the fast plane that turns well. Turning well doesn't count for much if you fly smart.

And it would still have short legs and poor roll rate.

[Nashwan]

If anyone were to actualy read the title of my post, they would see I am not calling for the Spit14....

[juzz]

Tempest Mk V.

20mph faster than Spitfire Mk XIV below 10k.
Zooms higher.
Dives faster.
Rolls faster over 300mph.
Has four Mk V Hispano 20mm cannon.

It's basically a Typhoon on steroids.  

[Spatula]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
PLEASE you saying the spit9 isnt competitive?  If we had the spit XIV it would dominate, completely. Its a wonderful plane, but do we really want it?

Spat says: "HEEEELLLL YEESSSS!!!!!!!"

[Jochen]

 

It's basically a Typhoon on steroids.

So? How many Typhoons you have seen in arena lately?

My point is that plane can be very fast and roll nicely but it still won't be popular if it handles viciously like Typhoon. The few extra MPH's won't help you if you get to turnfight and you stall almost without any warning. Tempest was not as bad as the Typhoon in handling department but it is still large and heavy fighter which will not win turnfights against dedicated turnfighters.

Also I think it won't climb too good either and even early/mid war (certainly late war atleast!) 109 can climb above it and then attack Tempest from above.

Every plane has a weak spot(s), so does Tempest. Remember when folks praised Typhoon to heavens saying it will the uberplane? Why don't we see them on arena then?

Finally, it's the pilot, not the plane.

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jochen

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JG 2 'Richthofen' (Aces High)

I want to believe! Fw 190F-8 / G-8 / A-5 to Aces High!

Ladysmith wants you forthwith to come to her relief
Burn your briefs you leave for France tonight
Carefully cut the straps of the booby-traps and set the captives free
But don't shoot 'til you see her big blue eyes

[juzz]

So how is the Tempest Mk V any worse than say, the Fw 190D-9 Jochen? Both can't turn worth a damn and have bad stall characteristics. Both are fast and have good guns. Both would be easily outclimbed by the Bf 109G-10.

I was only pointing out that the Tempest Mk V was superior in some areas of performance than the Spitfire Mk XIV, and basically a more powerful version of the Typhoon.

What makes a plane popular? Reputation, good guns for HO and a blue paintjob!  

[B-Town]

Hey guys,
        Not meaning to seem rude but you guys have got your wires crossed somewhere along the line here. The typhoon or the Tempest was not more of a fighter than a B17 was a knife fighter! Yeah ok so it was not a big heavy bomber that sat quite happily at 30k and bombed from the heavens but still. The Typhoon and Tempest where BOTH ground attack aircraft, there roll was to attack ground targets not to kill aircraft. Dogfighting was the spit's job, killing bombers was the Hurricanes job and blowing the hell outa things was the Lancaster's, Wellingtons and so ones job. Before you start slaging of the typhoon for being such a bad fighter remember all the people that flew it during WW2 over France and achieved an amazing amount of victories, also remember all those that died. The typhoon memorial in Normandy is very moving.

If you guys want a great late war fighter? Choose the Spitfire mark 22. It had a 5 bladed transrotating prop that was a BEAST. The tork on this thing half compressed the tires on takeoff! But once it got into the air you could pull back on the stick and it would out climb anything as well as turning fairly well too. This aircraft rocked.

Ok, I have said me piece  


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1st LT Chris "B-Town" Bradbury
332nd Flying Mongrels
Guard Dog's FL

[jmccaul]

Tempest is quite uber but no dogfighter.

Quickest WW2 plane below 10K (?)
Stable gun platform
4 x Hispano Mk5
Initial climb rate 4700 ft/min---(from  a website)
20,000 feet in 6.1 mins
good zoom
good dive
reasonable roll

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by juzz:
So how is the Tempest Mk V any worse than say, the Fw 190D-9 Jochen? Both can't turn worth a damn and have bad stall characteristics. Both are fast and have good guns. Both would be easily outclimbed by the Bf 109G-10.

I was only pointing out that the Tempest Mk V was superior in some areas of performance than the Spitfire Mk XIV, and basically a more powerful version of the Typhoon.

What makes a plane popular? Reputation, good guns for HO and a blue paintjob!  

cc that jazz. When I read Jochen's post and then seen his signature, I laughed. Why to ask for FW190s when they can't dogfight either...

mx22

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by B-Town:

If you guys want a great late war fighter? Choose the Spitfire mark 22. It had a 5 bladed transrotating prop that was a BEAST. The tork on this thing half compressed the tires on takeoff! But once it got into the air you could pull back on the stick and it would out climb anything as well as turning fairly well too. This aircraft rocked.

I don't think we will get our chance to fly Spit 22 in AH. Spit XIV was the last production series Spitfire to see action in WW2.

mx22