Author Topic: 190 A's (Read 654 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** June 20, 2001, 04:53:00 AM »

Now don't flame me.

It seams like the 190 A's engines die byt a single round, even 30 cal, and it dies right away (not necisarily the first shot you get hit by). No fuel leak, no radiator dammage, no oil leak, the engine just quits but the first little round that hits it.

Same thing with P38 enginges and I belive Yak engines too. I don't know about the Yak and P38 engine but teh 190 engine was know for being able to handle punishment, wich was one of the reasons Kurt Tank chose it.

Could this be a bug in the DM? I just refuse to belive the engine would quit rigth away after a very small caliber hit.

Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 Eismeer
Livestock Liberation Front

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skernsk · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2001, 07:14:00 AM »

I never really fly the 190's, but if that is the case I would agree that it needs to be looked at.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2001, 08:38:00 AM »

Same experience here, A series and, mainly, 190F8 in deack missions. With this plane, most of ack hits kill the engine (no smoke).

AKHog · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2001, 12:08:00 PM »

i have just the oppisite experience. the a's seem to die pretty fast but not from one 30cal ping. but the f8 seems to do great, i got pinged about 4 times on an ack run the other night and only lost an aileron.

-AKHog

Lephturn · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2001, 12:10:00 PM »

Would it kill you guys to go actually test this? It only takes two guys in the DA or the TA to see if your guess is correct or not. It's not likely Pyro will put something like this on the "to do" list based on what "it seems like".

It allways SEEMS like I die because everybody else has a better plane. It can't be because I got beat right? ;0 Heh. If you really want to identify a problem and get it looked at, do some testing and post the data. Otherwise you are just wasting your time and BBS space.

Lephturn

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2001, 01:16:00 PM »

Who wants to test it with me? I'll be online 22:00 GMT+1 - 24:00 GMT+1

Wilbus · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2001, 01:25:00 PM »

Reason I posted this Lephturn was because I wanted to know if other people have had the same experience. It seams as if they have and I'll do some test asap.

190 F8 engine dies about as easy as the A version but the rest of the plane can take a pretty good beating.

Mandoble, same thing, 1 ping, it dies right away and no smoke at all. just says "engine" in the dammage list.

Somebody care to do some tests with me?

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martell0 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2001, 07:42:00 PM »

Yes 190f8 and D9,then also A8 but much less,
suffer almost always of dead engine or oil leak,at the first ping.
I have made some comparision of durability whit 190f8 a8 and 109g10 whit oil leak,well 109g10 keep running for about 4 minutes more than 190a8 f8,and this is strange!!!
The FW was famous for his capacity of take punishment and bring the pilot home whit 1 or 2 cilinder ded.
Here the 109 keep flying much more time whit engine damage than 190.

wells · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2001, 07:51:00 PM »

It seems that the P-47's are missing 2 cylinders! hehe

Sancho · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2001, 08:04:00 PM »

P-47 has only 16 cylinders??!?! Damnit we're getting short changed here!!!

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2001, 10:40:00 PM »

Ooooohhh .. .that's why the P47 is 5MPH short with Wep!

janjan · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2001, 02:03:00 AM »

Yo,

This 190A engine damage issue has been up several times. Never have anyone given a reasonable explanation about it other than direct fuel injection to cylinders causing fuel spray all over the engine if hit. Who knows.

But, the fact is oil leeks in A series are extremely rare (think twice in my AH career).

troxel · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2001, 03:47:00 AM »

I agree. Oil leaks in the As are very uncommon. I get dead engine in As more often than any other plane. As a matter of fact, I am having a hard time recalling a 1 ping engine dead situation in any other plane that I frequently fly, which isn't the full planeset mind you, but a decent cross section (a6m5, 109's, p51d, p47s, C.202, F6f, f4u-1d, Tiffy).

I don't engage in HOs often, (unless I've recently bumped my head

), but in the 190-A5 I tend to get the 1 ping engine dead situation from air-to-air engagements. I've also noticed that the tail of the 190 seems to be about as likely to leave the plane as the tail of the P-38.

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Wilbus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2001, 04:57:00 AM »

Cc, havne't had an oil leak in a 190 A for a very long time, jsut 1 shot engine dead.

I and Mandoble did some testing in the TA, he or I will post some results soon.

I haven't died in the D9 for a while so I can say anything about it

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2001, 05:30:00 AM »

Wilbus, you forgot the attachments in the mail.