M4A4 or M4A3(76)W

[Nemisis]

Yup, another sherman wish.

The M4A3 first:
I want the sherman because it would provide an alternative to the panzer, because we have 2 tanks for the germans, 2 tanks for the russians, and the american tank we have is a perked heavy tank, meaning its not that great for going into tank town and slugging things out. Plus, it was the most widely produced US tank.

M4A4:
For the same reasons as the M4A3(76)W, and because it would give some competition to the firefly, and the T-34/85 because of the thicker armor.

And if we can't have these, then atleast give me the M7 priest to play around with.

[Templar]

+1 again.

[Clone155]

+1 

[Bronk]

Yup, another sherman wish.

The M4A3 first:
I want the sherman because it would provide an alternative to the panzer, because we have 2 tanks for the germans, 2 tanks for the russians, and the american tank we have is a perked heavy tank, meaning its not that great for going into tank town and slugging things out. Plus, it was the most widely produced US tank.

M4A4:
For the same reasons as the M4A3(76)W, and because it would give some competition to the firefly, and the T-34/85 because of the thicker armor.

And if we can't have these, then atleast give me the M7 priest to play around with.

The firefly is a medium tank.
The rest I'll let swtarget pick apart.

[Nemisis]

thats arguable, but I guess it officialy was a medium tank. Still its perked, and if you go into a large tank fight you can eat up perks pretty quickly.

[E25280]

The firefly is a medium tank.
The rest I'll let swtarget pick apart.

Oh, geez, no pressure there.   

The M4A3 first:
I want the sherman because it would provide an alternative to the panzer, because we have 2 tanks for the germans, 2 tanks for the russians, and the american tank we have is a perked heavy tank, meaning its not that great for going into tank town and slugging things out. Plus, it was the most widely produced US tank.

Do people even go to tank town anymore?  (Oh, wait, I don't think that is what Bronk meant.)

Bronk already pointed out the Firefly is a medium tank, and it is a British rather than American variant at that.  But I find it actually quite a capable slugger, so not sure what that has to do with your arguement.

In game terms, the variant designation wouldn't be all that relevant.  M4, M4A1, M4A2, M4A3, etc. were all basically the same in terms of armor and sporting the M3 75mm/L40 gun.  The variants were due primarily to different manufacturers and different engines, which is irrelevant to a game.  (I think the A1 had a cast hull --not sure whether HTC would consider cast vs. welded hulls to be relevant, other than for cosmetics).

M4A4:
For the same reasons as the M4A3(76)W, and because it would give some competition to the firefly, and the T-34/85 because of the thicker armor.

I think you mislabeled your second wish, as the M4A4 is no different than an M4A3 (again, game terms).  The "76" versions also appeared on all the A1, A2, A3 etc. chassis, and simply refers to the redesigned turret and a better tank-killing gun (3" M7 on some I believe, 76mm M1 on most, virtually identical in capabilities).  "w" refers to "wet stowage" of the ammunition, which again probably doesn't make a difference in game terms (but it sure would make a difference for the real crews).

The Firefly's gun would still be superior, but the 76mm M1 would be very similar to the 85mm Soviet gun. In terms of armor vs. the T-34/76, the Sherman's is thicker in the front hull (by 6mm), but the front of the Soviet turret is a bit thicker, and the Soviet tank also has better side armor on both the hull and turret.  Armor is a wash IMO.

Due to the lower speed, the M4Awhatever(76) would probably not get the light perk of the T-34/85 even though the tanks are very comparable in most other respects.  Think PanzerIV without the glass mantlet.  Oh, and with a more capable .50cal pintle gun for plinking aircraft that are too high to main-gun out of the sky.   

And if we can't have these, then atleast give me the M7 priest to play around with.

NO.

Just kidding.   

[Nemisis]

As to the issues with the firefly in a TT fight, you tend to (at least this has always pleagued me, if not everyone else) get people hiding in the towns in the center of some TT's using the numerous barns and farms in others, and the near impassible thickets of trees in others, to ambush opponents. I've seen a tiger roll past a barn not seeing a T-34/85 in it and get nailed, only to be killed 3 seconds later by his buddy. Probably could be partially solved with better SA, but tanks don't display their icons from the ground (i'm guessing because its undergound like you get with real low aircraft), so you have to rely on spotting the shape of a hull, or seeing movment much like real tank crews did.

For the cast vs welded hulls, the page I was reading (can't remember the title or site it was on) stated that the seams of the welds were weak points in the hull, and were targeted by the germans. And it appears that in AH2, it is easier to target a more presice point on a tank than it was in real life (ie, aiming at the weak point on the left side of the drivers compartment on the T-34's, as opposed to just aiming at the side of the tank).

And as to the the M4A4, it stated that it had armor 10mm thicker than other shermans (probably due to poorly educated writer now that you inform me that its the same. But the rest matched multiple other sites)


And nice to get some support for the M7 priest.

Thread is on on the M4A3(76)w, and the M7 priest.

[E25280]

The primary difference for the A4 was that the powerplant was 5 Chrysler engines -- which meant a longer hull was necessary to hold them.

Actually, I think you are right about the later Shermans having slightly thicker hull armor (half inch), but it was to help compensate for a reduction in slope when they modified the front to remove the welding problem (that hadn't come to mind earlier).  These changes would have been later in the war (along with dozens of other improvements), and would have been on all Shermans produced.

Probably, then, the best way to restate the request is for two Sherman variants, a '42 version with the 75mm gun and a late '44 version with a 76mm gun.  Of course, there were all kinds of other variants that it would be nice to have (105mm versions, Jumbo versions, HVSS versions, etc.), but these would be the most representative.

[Ruler2]

and the american tank we have is a perked heavy tank

What American tank?  Thw Firefly is British.

[Nemisis]

American tank, british gun.


OK, so let me restate my request:

I wish for the M4A3, the M4A3(76) and the M7 Priest because we have no artillery, and it would be a land based LVT A(4) with a moderatly bigger gun (4" as opposed to 3").

[FlyinJay]

i would go for a tracked howitzer other than the lvt

[Nemisis]

what do you mean jay? all I was saying is that it would serve the same purpose as the LVT A(4) but could fire AP as well as HE, and would have a larger gun, and longer range.

[Nemisis]

Does anyone know if the M7 could fire AP rounds? If not, then screw it, your going to get killed if you go within 4k of the field. I couldn't find anything difinitive, some hinted yes, others hinted no.

And HTC, is there any real reason we won't get the M4? Or is it more of a "the panzer, and T-34/76 are pretty much the same thing, so lets keep using them" problem?

[BigKev03]

I like the idea of the M4A3E8 (Easy8) sherman in the game.  The 76mm gun on it is on par or better than the 85mm on the T34.  I also like a previous post about the M7 but how about may we add the M3 GMC (75mm gun halftrack)?  Might be a good fast vehicle for attacking bases and it could fire both AP and HE, though as an anti tank vehicle it was phased out in favor of the M10 and such.  But it could be fun to operate.

[FYB]

I like the idea, and you may be wrong on the official version (Light, Medium, Heavy), but it was capable of taking Heavies in numbers. Lets not mention the Firefly is more of a distance killer, I'd love an M4A3 to start a hell of a war in the town going in using HVAP and HE rounds.

I heard it had a multi-round barrel able to use different rounds, HVAP included. I'd have to check Wiki to be 100% sure though...