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Offline macleod01

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Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« on: January 16, 2010, 08:41:58 PM »
I recently bought an old war documentary set called War In The Air. Very brief but good documentaries about air power in WW2. However during one episode it was discussing the Lend Lease program and how Britain and Maerica helped Russia by supplying her with planes.
I have always thought that it was mainly Hurricanes that were supplied by Britain, but in the video, it showed Spitfires with the red Star. They LOOKED like Mk V, but I'm terrible with identifying anything other than Mk Is. I'm just wondering if anyone has any further interest in this, as it has peaked an interest for me. When I see things that I don't roughly know, I have to alter that.
Any Information then guru's?
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2010, 09:26:01 PM »
Britain supplied a large number of Spitfires to the USSR: at least 143 Mk.VBs and 1,188 Mk.IXs, delivered by sea as deck cargo and also flown via the Middle East, many being sent through Tehran. The 26th Guards Fighter Air Regiment of the Leningrad Air Defence (PVO) was operating clipped-wing low-level Spitfire L.F. Mk.IXs at the end of the war.

The best single-volume reference for the Spitfire is Spitfire: The History by Eric B. Morgan and Edward Shacklady; 1987 and revised in 2000, Key Books Ltd, Stamford, ISBN 0 946219 48 6. It's a massive book and includes the history of every Spitfire (and Seafire, Spiteful and Seafang) ever built, where known.

Hope this helps - cheers!

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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2010, 09:28:56 PM »
Thanks a lot Simba, that's just answered my question in a oner. It did make me wonder when I saw those Spitfires with the Red Stars.

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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 11:17:00 PM »
You might want to take a look at this link macleod01 , http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/index.htm

There is also this Russian site (you will need a translator > http://translate.google.com/#), http://avia-hobby.ru/publ/soviaps/1_50iap.html
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2010, 07:52:08 PM »
The numbers of some aircraft provided to the Soviets:

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html

P-39, 5007 (from US)
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
A-20, 2700 (from US)

The US also provided P-40's, B-25's, and perhaps some smaller number of various other aircraft.
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2010, 08:00:59 PM »
Quote from: Brooke on January 22, 2010, 07:52:08 PM
The numbers of some aircraft provided to the Soviets:

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aircraft_of_the_Soviet_Union_and_the_CIS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_Russia%2C_World_War_II
http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/9941_roosevelt.html

P-39, 5007 (from US)
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
A-20, 2700 (from US)

The US also provided P-40's, B-25's, and perhaps some smaller number of various other aircraft.


The Soviets also received 196 P-47D-22-RE & P-47D-27-RE Thunderbolts.



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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 01:46:32 AM »
Wish they had that decision to make over again.
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 11:41:17 PM »
Quote from: Pongo on January 23, 2010, 01:46:32 AM
Wish they had that decision to make over again.
Why is that?
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 09:19:15 AM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on January 22, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
The Soviets also received 196 P-47D-22-RE & P-47D-27-RE Thunderbolts.
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Aye, and used them as patrol bombers because a "fighter" doesn't weigh that much.

As a rule of thumb the aircraft the west loved (Spits, P47s, etc) the soviets would say "they have nice transparencies" and "the radio is good".  Aircraft we didn't love (P-39, P-40) the soviets drooled all over.  Just a different perspective on what qualifies as "good".

They had a P-38 that was used by a squadron for fun; my memory tells me it was a crashed bird they repaired or else it used a soviet field for emergency landing, but they didn't use it in combat.  Pity, too, 'cuz I'd love a red star 38 skin for the game.
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 10:12:14 AM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on January 22, 2010, 08:00:59 PM
The Soviets also received 196 P-47D-22-RE & P-47D-27-RE Thunderbolts.
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 10:53:55 AM »
Quote from: KgB on January 27, 2010, 11:41:17 PM
Why is that?

I'm guessing its a reference to the recent unpleasantness which existed between the USA and USSR from 1946-1991 in concert with an implied suggestion that perhaps our decision to give aid to Stalin was ill considered.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 02:04:52 PM »
Quote from: Saurdaukar on January 28, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
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an implied suggestion that perhaps our decision to give aid to Stalin was ill considered.

Wow.  That is a can of worms...
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 04:16:14 PM »
Quote from: kilo2 on January 28, 2010, 10:12:14 AM
I need to learn how to skin that plane is a beauty

If you search the skins forum, I posted a thread awhile back with some examples of the Soviet Jugs.  IIRC, they never saw any action though.

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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 05:43:16 PM »
Wow, when I posted this I never imagined the wealth of knowledge that would be unearthed about it. So many thanks again guys, and Ack-Ack, its a pity none of those jugs saw combat, would be pretty sweet to have a soviet Jug.
What about the other planes mantioned? I'm guessing the Spitfires saw action. Does anyone have any figures on kills for these crates?
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Re: Calling Red Airforce Guru's.
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 06:25:06 PM »
These:

P-39, 5007 (from US)
Hurricane, 2952 (from UK)
P-63, 2421 (from US)
Spitfire, 1331 (from UK)
A-20, 2700 (from US)

and the P-40's and B-25's saw a lot of combat in Soviet hands.

I don't know the number of kills, but those aircraft are mentioned in many accounts of Soviet air battles.  The P-39 is perhaps most prominent in the kills deparment as, for example, 3 of the top-5 Soviet aces flew the P-39, including the #2 ace (Pokryshkin).
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