How Did Fw 190A's Beat Up on Spitfires 1941-1943

[funked]

P.S.  If we get an English Channel terrain, I'm sure a 1941/1942 Channel battle will be an easy scenario to set up.

The cool part is that the historical JG 2 was of course involved in these combats, and 308 Sqn. was there as well, in Spitfire Mk. V's.  

I shall pack my parachute carefully.  

 



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Mike "FunkedUp" Waltz

Aces High Instructor Corps
S/L 308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Northolt Wing (1st Polish Fighter Wing)

[SnakeEyes]

Actually, in WB's HA, I've fought off and/or beaten pairs of 190s while in the Spit V on multiple occasions.  I actually think this was a result of the No Icons setting... No Icons is much harder when you are in B&Z mode than when you are in T&B mode.

With Icons, even short ones out to only d10 or 20, the 190s would win the fight hands down.

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SnakeEyes
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[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by funked:
I'm perplexed that most of the people who complain about the Fw 190/Spitfire matchup in the game have nothing to add to this thread.

Maybe it's because as in real life, the Fw 190 in our game beats the snot out of the Spitfire, especially the Mk. V.

Tour 3:
The Fw 190A-8 has 156 kills and has been killed 112 times against the Spitfire Mk V.

The Fw 190A-8 has 467 kills and has been killed 385 times against the Spitfire Mk IX.


[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-02-2000).]

its numbers like this that keep me wondering
Pongo has 34kills and 17 deaths in the fw190a8
Pongo has 12 kills and 3 deaths in the spit Ix

And I fly the spit only when forced to by my squadies...The amount I have to work for kills in the spit is silly vs the fw.
My original whine on this subject (6 months ago) was a congradulatory message to the allied AC designers and the german pilots of WW2. I still think that if these AC are accurate in relation to each other then the german pilots must have been many times better then their western opponents to achieve the historical outcome.
And the allies where wasting there resources designing new planes if the spit IX was that supperior(in my oppinion) to the German planes. Now I know that the german planes have some great capabilies and even in the hands of a non experten like me they can be a match to any plane in the game.  And I know that the spit pilots cant wade into any fight without forthought and expect success because their ride is so supperior. But the tools the spit has available to win engagments are far more varried and deadly then the german planes. It really feels like training mode to me when I fly a spitfire.
I cannot imagine how to double my kill ratio in the FW but If I acctually learned how to fly a spit I could probably double it again.
I guess I dont think thats right. It doesnt do service to the men who flew and died in the spit and helped ensure that my boys dont goose step to make wining in it so easy.
I want to know what it was really like to fly a spit. warts and all.



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[funked]

Pongo:

You mention the Warts!  That's what I'm getting at in the top post.  Where is that stuff - the lateral control problems in dives and the power loss when bunting?

The other stuff:
IMHO the Kanalgeschwader pilots had an advantage in experience and tactics that was hard to beat.  The RAF had good results defending their own land in 1940, but fighting over neutral ground or enemy territory is a different ballgame.  I think there was a real learning curve.

Along with the lack of "warts" in this game, we have the fact that different aircraft attributes were important for success in real life than are important for success in our arena.

Top speed is much more important than turn rate in real life.  Look at the USN vs. Japan if you doubt that.

Many if not most kills were achieved by surprise, sneaking up on the enemy.  In a Fw 190 vs. Spitfire Mk. V, you can cruise with almost no fear.  Even if a Spitfire spots you and you don't spot him, he will not be able to catch you unless he has a large altitude advantage.  If the Fw 190 spots the Spitfire V first, he can close for the attack even if he initially lower or slower.

In here that advantage is meaningless.  Only a blind Spit pilot can miss the giant neon billboard which announces the approach of the Fw.

Also here's my response to your personal stats.      

funkedup has 38 kills and has been killed 8 times in the Spitfire Mk IX.
funkedup has 13 kills and has been killed 3 times in the Fw 190A-8.


P.S.  You seem to be a pretty good Spit pilot, want to join my squad?    



[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-02-2000).]