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Offline Bronk

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2010, 06:52:28 PM »
Ohhhh boy. :noid
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 06:56:16 PM »
A-1 had 1200 hp Jumo 211B-1 engines
A-4 had around 1400 hp 211Js or 211Fs

The A-4 wasn't ready in time for the BOB. Some A-5s were, though. They used the 1200hp engines, but had the newer wings. I've read a few comments that pilots appreciated the better handling (I assume with aileron control). A minority were A-5s, but present nonetheless.

The A-4, when introduced, had improved armor, and faster-firing MG-81 defensive machine guns. The A-1 would probably be more susceptible to .303 gunfire (which in AH would make as much a difference for the BOB scenario as top speed resuction would!)

As for the "belly bulge" I'd like a better description of what you mean.

A-1:



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Looks the same to me.

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2010, 07:11:41 PM »
Interesting photos.  I'll admit that I have a heck of a time recognizing any difference between photos of the purported A-4s and A-1s.
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2010, 07:17:14 PM »
Main external differences:

Wings a bit shorter, less wing area, 1 rounded bulge behind the cockpit with a single gun (instead of "goggle"-like twin bulges), single gun in ventral bin.

Otherwise, they look very similar externally.

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2010, 07:32:41 PM »
Sometimes I see photos marked "A-1" with the wingtips of the A-4, and vice versa.
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2010, 09:45:25 PM »
According to Green, ISBN 0-671-08160-8, (it's a book thing)...

The A-1 and earlier versions had fabric-covered ailerons (slotted, and linked to the flaps) that extended all the way to the wingtips (60 ft. 3 1/4 in.).  The later, longer wing had metal-covered surfaces that were inset from the wingtips (65 ft. 7 1/2 in.).

The A-4 was to have both the new wing and the more powerful Jumo 211J.  The engines were not yet ready, so the new wing was put on existing A-1s with the Jumo 211G-1, to become the A-5.  (A-1s started out with the Jumo 211B-1, later A-1s had the very similar Jumo 211J-1.)

Thus sayeth the Green.  ;)
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2010, 09:40:23 PM »
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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2010, 05:15:12 AM »
Kinda sums up the whole current generation, wouldn't y'all say?

And they have to fund MY retirement?

sigh..

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2010, 09:06:12 AM »
Look like P-38's to me . Without the pretty white star is all . Right ?

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2010, 07:50:39 AM »
Kinda sums up the whole current generation, wouldn't y'all say?

And they have to fund MY retirement?

sigh..

Drone with all due respect sir, and I give the older generation a HECK of a lot of respect, I would appreciate it if blanket statements like that were not made for the WHOLE generation.

I will always, ALWAYS go out of my way to help those that need it, and it annoys me when some lazy tard comes on, and I get tarred with the same brush.

I'm 21, so I'm a yob, I hang around on street corners with a knife in my hoodie, waiting to mug some old person so I can buy drugs and binge drink every weekend

THE TRUTH- I'm 21, been brought up well and am almost TeeTotal. I have never touched drugs in my life, will happily give up my seat on a bus/train/ whatever so a lady or someone in more need of it than me can have it. I will help the elderly with their bags on a train or bus, even if I don't know them or am a long way from home. I'm a young lad and can manage it, where as they may struggle.

Please sir, we're not all lazy useless yobs, no matter what the press says


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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2010, 06:09:12 PM »
Drone with all due respect sir, and I give the older generation a HECK of a lot of respect, I would appreciate it if blanket statements like that were not made for the WHOLE generation.

I will always, ALWAYS go out of my way to help those that need it, and it annoys me when some lazy tard comes on, and I get tarred with the same brush.

I'm 21, so I'm a yob, I hang around on street corners with a knife in my hoodie, waiting to mug some old person so I can buy drugs and binge drink every weekend

THE TRUTH- I'm 21, been brought up well and am almost TeeTotal. I have never touched drugs in my life, will happily give up my seat on a bus/train/ whatever so a lady or someone in more need of it than me can have it. I will help the elderly with their bags on a train or bus, even if I don't know them or am a long way from home. I'm a young lad and can manage it, where as they may struggle.

Please sir, we're not all lazy useless yobs, no matter what the press says


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I don't believe press hardly ever , and you give me hope . However your young enjoy it bro ,only so many years you can get a good drunk on and not pay the next am . ;)

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2010, 06:33:04 PM »
Drone with all due respect sir, and I give the older generation a HECK of a lot of respect, I would appreciate it if blanket statements like that were not made for the WHOLE generation.

I will always, ALWAYS go out of my way to help those that need it, and it annoys me when some lazy tard comes on, and I get tarred with the same brush.

I'm 21, so I'm a yob, I hang around on street corners with a knife in my hoodie, waiting to mug some old person so I can buy drugs and binge drink every weekend

THE TRUTH- I'm 21, been brought up well and am almost TeeTotal. I have never touched drugs in my life, will happily give up my seat on a bus/train/ whatever so a lady or someone in more need of it than me can have it. I will help the elderly with their bags on a train or bus, even if I don't know them or am a long way from home. I'm a young lad and can manage it, where as they may struggle.

Please sir, we're not all lazy useless yobs, no matter what the press says


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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2010, 11:03:26 PM »
"We need so many "earlier" bomber, for so many reasons. He-111 is top of the list!"

The most-produced bomber in RAF history tops my bomber wish-list - the Vickers Wellington.

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Re: Give me reasons!!
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2010, 11:21:16 AM »
The whole "AMERICAN" generation Drone ;)

Wow. Really?