109G10 skin

[jolly22]

How come on the aces high skin department, theres a 109G10 skin???

http://www.ah-skins.com/detail/3.html

[Tom5572]

There used to be a 109G10 in the game, ask wrag about it, it was his favorite ride

[jolly22]

awwww        Why did they take it out?

[JunkyII]

awwww        Why did they take it out?

I may be wrong but I think they got rid of it and added the G14 and K4 to the game

[Flipperk]

IIRC, the G10 had the performance of either the K or G14 and also had the firepower of either the K or G14...i cant remember which one went with which

[Anaxogoras]

What I learned is that the G-10 had the performance of K-4, but with the weapons options of the G-10, and so it lost the weapon options and was renamed.

I'd love to hear the official word on this...

[gatt]

I dont remember the 3x20mm G-10 having the same performance of the 30mm K-4.

The 1x20mm G-10, IIRC, was very similar to the actual 30mm K-4. But, it was deadly in a dogfight due to the high velocity MG151-20, compared to the slow pneumatic hammer of the K-4.

What I remember was the continuos whining about how uber the heavy G-10 was, as far as climb rate and firepower were concerned.

Actually, rocket fighters apart, it was the best quick scramble interceptor against score-wh*res bomber pilots going for HQ's at 28-30K.

The G-14, the G-10 light and heavy and the 30mm K4 could live all togheter. Whines apart, that is.

[Krusty]

G10s had a wide range of performance. Even the best-case scenarios (not always typical or average) were slower than the K-4.

The G10 we had in-game was always a K-4 with G10 weapons options. HTC did this to give 2 planes in 1, because back when they started there were a fraction of the planes we have in-game now.

Now that they have the luxury of accurately modeling things, they put the K-4 in as it should be (and with the proper name).

EDIT:

How come on the aces high skin department, theres a 109G10 skin???

http://www.ah-skins.com/detail/3.html

Oh, and I'd like to point out that website is not affiliated with Hitech Creations in any way. Many of the AH skinners uploaded their skins to it as a general website for sharing their work, but it's not the HTC skins department, or anything.

The ah-skins website has been left to stagnate for a while now. It's kind of on auto-pilot.

[Anaxogoras]

I dont remember the 3x20mm G-10 having the same performance of the 30mm K-4.

The 1x20mm G-10, IIRC, was very similar to the actual 30mm K-4. But, it was deadly in a dogfight due to the high velocity MG151-20, compared to the slow pneumatic hammer of the K-4.

Yes, it is assumed that only the 1x20mm G-10 had K-4 performance.

[oneway]

I may be wrong but I think they got rid of it and added the G14 and K4 to the game

Ahhhh.....

That must explain one of the deprecated planes in the *.pln file...

Within the plane file...(aka *.pln)...zero based index items {6, 8, 32, 98, 99, 103} can be deductively reasoned to be NON ACTIVE by changing and setting available ride types for each of the types displayed in the terrain setup / setup fields/planes offline and saving the field and plane files locally...

I would bet that it was #32...

Oneway...

This is not the plane file but comma delimited constant string[] array in a program...same thing though...

[gatt]

........ HTC did this to give 2 planes in 1, because back when they started there were a fraction of the planes we have in-game now.

And BTW, in what air combat sim you trade three models (light G-10, heavy G-10 and K-4) for one (K-4)?
Loosing an opportunity to have an high altitude Bf109 better suited for bomber interception than the K-4?
This definitely does not make sense, IMNSHO.

[Krusty]

There never was a "G10" to trade. It was always K-4 performance with totally unhistorical weapons options (things a K4 never carried, ever).

On top of that, G10s came out after K4s, and had worse performance. They fill no gap, they do nothing for the planeset.

The ONLY reason they were there was the same reason the G-6 had 30mm and 20mm options: to give variety.

It leads to frankenstein flight models. Like the old Spit9 with round US-style drop tanks, 50cals, but early 1942 engines and later pointed tail... It makes no sense to have frankenstein models. Thankfully HTC is moving more toward accurate (historical) models as they revisit these old planes.


Forget the G10. Folks never flew one. Folks never got attached to one. The plane they flew and came to love was a K-4. Always was, always will be, the only difference is NOW it has only the weapons it flew with in WW2.

You wouldn't condone a P-51D with 4x20mm, would you? Why would you condone a K-4 with WGr21s, 20mm hub, and 20mm gondolas?

[Akondo]

Did anyone notice that our K4 cockpit model is wrong. The K4 doesn't have the bulge behind the pilot where his storage compatment is. The battery that was in there was relocated. Right now its more like the G-10

[gatt]

There never was a "G10" to trade. It was always K-4 performance with totally unhistorical weapons options (things a K4 never carried, ever).
On top of that, G10s came out after K4s, and had worse performance. They fill no gap, they do nothing for the planeset.
The ONLY reason they were there was the same reason the G-6 had 30mm and 20mm options: to give variety.
It leads to frankenstein flight models. Like the old Spit9 with round US-style drop tanks, 50cals, but early 1942 engines and later pointed tail... It makes no sense to have frankenstein models. Thankfully HTC is moving more toward accurate (historical) models as they revisit these old planes.
Forget the G10. Folks never flew one. Folks never got attached to one. The plane they flew and came to love was a K-4. Always was, always will be, the only difference is NOW it has only the weapons it flew with in WW2.
You wouldn't condone a P-51D with 4x20mm, would you? Why would you condone a K-4 with WGr21s, 20mm hub, and 20mm gondolas?

Still doesnt make sense. Did the "light" G-10 and the /R6 variant fight during WW2? This is the real and only question. If the answer is yes, then its a pity we dont have the G-10 anymore. Was our G-10 badly modeled? I dont know. The solution was to fine tune his FM not to put it out of the hangar. And, yes, many pilots loved it. Many of my squad mates flew it. I did it, with  excellent  k/d ratios against high flying bombers. Frankenstein model? Is it your opinion  or HTC one?

[gatt]

You wouldn't condone a P-51D with 4x20mm, would you?

I know its not a D model, but if this thing flew and fought yes, I would condone it :