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Offline USCH

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Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« on: January 17, 2010, 09:03:18 AM »
This would be the dates that the aircraft entered service, not its first test flight or first day of production.

Some of the dates I know have the possibility of being wrong. I searched the web the best I could.
If you have proof of an earlyer or later date please let me know.
When talking about aircraft, it is the sub-varent that we are looking for here. (we all know they used B17's prior to Nov. 1943 but its the G model in question)  :salute and thank you.

American  
B-17G             (Nov. 1943.)
B-24J              (Oct. 1943.)
B-25C             (March 1942.)
B-25H             (July 1943)
B-26B             (Feb 1941)
C-47A             (Dec. 1941)
F4F-4              (June 1942)
F4U-1             (Feb. 1943)
F4U-1A           (Feb. 1943)
F4U-1C           (April 1945)
F4U-1D           (April 1944)
F4U-4              (April 1945)
F6F-5              (Sept.. 1943)
FM2                (Aug. 1942)
P-38G              (Aug. 1942)
P-38J               (Aug. 1943)
P-38L               (April 1944)
P-39D              (Mar. 1941)
P-39Q              (April 1943)
P-40B              (April 1941)
P-40E              (Dec. 1941)
P-47D-11        (March 1943)
P-47D-25        (May 1944)
P-47D-40        (Aug 1944)                
P-47M             (Jan. 1945)
P-47N             (July 1945)
P-51B             (Aug. 1943)
P-51D             (Mar. 1944)
SBD-5             (Dec, 1941)
TBM-3            (June 1942)
British
Boston Mk III           (Jan. 41)
Hurricane Mk I         (Mar. 1938)
Hurricane Mk IIC     (April. 1941)
Hurricane Mk IID     (Sept.. 1941)
Lancaster III            (March 1942)
Mosquito Mk VI      (May 1943)
Seafire Mk II           (Oct. 1942)
Spitfire Mk I            (Dec. 1938)
Spitfire Mk V           (Feb. 1941)
Spitfire Mk VIII       (Oct. 1943)
Spitfire Mk IX         (April 1943)
Spitfire Mk XIV      (April 1944)
Spitfire Mk XVI      (Nov 1944)
Tempest Mk V        (June 1944)
Typhoon Mk I         (Sept. 1941)
Finland
B-239 Brewster  (Mar. 1940)
German
Ar 234B              (Sept. 1944)
Bf 109E-4           (Jan. 1940)
Bf 109F-4           (Aug. 1941)
Bf 109G-2          (May 1942)
Bf 109G-6          (Feb. 1943)
Bf 109G-14        (July 1944)
Bf 109K-4         (Nov. 1944)
Bf 110C-4b       (June 1940)
Bf 110G-2         (Dec. 1942)
Fw 190A-5       (Nov. 1942)
Fw 190A-8       (Feb 1944)
Fw 190D-9       (Aug. 1944)
Fw 190F-8        (Feb. 1944)
Ju 87D-3           (July 1941)
Ju 88A-4           (Feb. 1941)
Me 163             (July 1944)
Me 262             (June 1944)
Ta 152H            (Mar. 1945)
Italian
C.202                 (July 1941)
C.205                 (Feb. 1943)
Japanese
A6M2                 (Oct. 1940)
A6M5b               (Oct. 1943)
B5N2                 (April 1940)
D3A1                 (Jan. 1940)
Ki-61-I-KAIc    (Jan. 1944)
Ki-67                 (July 1944)
Ki-84-la             (June 1944)
N1K2-J             (June 1944)
Russian
I-16                (June 1939)
Il-2 Type 3     (Dec. 1942)
La-5FN          (Sept.. 1942)
La-7               (May 1944)
Yak-9T          (Mar. 1945)
Yak-9U          (April 1944)
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 09:16:05 AM »
Question...... What is the month/year that HTC uses to cut off what planes can go in each arena?


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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2010, 09:17:14 AM »
interesting list,  kind of highlights the need for more non-American rides........

Soviet / Japanese especially.  But we have known that for a long time.
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2010, 09:34:14 AM »
No idea Junky.
You would think that since this info is a requirement, to have an aircraft in the game, that they would post when it happened.
As far as the rooms go when you click on each aircraft on the web page they do at least tell you the earlyest room they are allowed in. So through a long proses of elimination we could find out.

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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2010, 10:05:18 AM »
As I said in the other thread, your F4U dates are wrong. No F4Us were in the combat area prior to February, 1943. The F4U-1D didn't start seeing combat until late-1944, and the F4U-1C and 4 weren't in combat until 1945.
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2010, 10:44:34 AM »
OK i changed it, but left the 1D and 1A as we have not yet determaned when (i know you said late '44 but i want to be as specific as i can)
Again thanks for the help and as i said before we can use this one to talk about it as it has all the aircraft on the list and i will just edit it as needed.  :salute

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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2010, 11:46:08 AM »
Russian
I-16 t24  M63, 4 x 7.62 Shkas +/- drop tanks or FAB 100 or 10 x FAB15 (production mid 39 to v early 41)
I-16 t28  M63, 2 x 7.62 ShKas, 2 x 20 Shvak +/- drop tanks or FAB100 (production mid 39 to late 40)
I-16 t29  M63, 2 x 7.62 ShKas, 1 x 12.7UBS  +/- drop tanks or 6 x RS82 (production mid 40 to mid 41)
Il-2     earlier  single seat version (June 41)
Il-2m3 23mm YVA (Oct 1942)  
Il-2m3 37mm NS (June 43)
La-5FN        (July 1943)  {not to be confused with earlier La5 and La5F}
La-7             2 x 20 ShVak (June 1944)
La-7             3 x 20 UB (Feb/Mar 1945)
Yak-9T          M105 (May 1943)
Yak-9T          VK105PF (April 1944)
Yak-9U          VK107(Aug 1944)
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 11:49:58 AM »
Russian
I-16 t24  M63, 4 x 7.62 Shkas +/- drop tanks or FAB 100 or 10 x FAB15 (production mid 39 to v early 41)
I-16 t28  M63, 2 x 7.62 ShKas, 2 x 20 Shvak +/- drop tanks or FAB100 (production mid 39 to late 40)
I-16 t29  M63, 2 x 7.62 ShKas, 1 x 12.7UBS  +/- drop tanks or 6 x RS82 (production mid 40 to mid 41)
Il-2     earlier  single seat version (June 41)
Il-2m3 23mm YVA (Oct 1942)  
Il-2m3 37mm NS (June 43)
La-5FN        (June 1943)  {not to be confused with earlier La5 and La5F}
La-7             2 x 20 ShVak (May 1944)
La-7             3 x 20 UB (Feb/Mar 1945)
Yak-9T          M105 (May 1943)
Yak-9T          VK105PF (April 1944)
Yak-9U          VK107(Aug 1944)
as asked before is that when they were first made or first saw combat in squadron strength we are looking for the latter of the two.

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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 12:08:23 PM »
as asked before is that when they were first made or first saw combat in squadron strength we are looking for the latter of the two.

I have identified the production periods for the I-16's the others are at front line in squadron strength. It then comes to whether they (the I-16's)were used in the Russio Finish war or not (I have no proper record of this conflict) they were in use in June 41 during Barbarossa  (the start of the GPW)

Combat may push the IL-2 {early version} into july Aug 41 and the  La5FN into July43 actually the FN engine was in short supply and there was a definate dip in production after the first batch until Oct 43, further the La7 was ready in May but issued in  June 44 (to 176GIAP) and first saw combat in squadron strength on the 24th June over Balarus (Operation Bagration)

Equally the 3 cannon La7 was also mixed into other La7 squadrons such that it may not have been at a full squadron strength (both used the same cannon shells) even if a few hundred were in use by the end of the GPW
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 01:35:17 PM »
Asking for specific battles for some of these aircraft isn't as simple a matter as you think. Marine and Navy aircraft in the Pacific were frequently involved with actions that may not have been part of a specific action.

Most of what I can find points to the F4U-1A first appearing in September, 1943. According to the CAF, the first F4U-1A was accepted in August, 1943. But as I've said before, the 1/1A distinction is a complicated matter. Nonetheless it's a safe assumption from this that no F4U-1As appeared in the war zone prior to September, 1943 (and even then were being used alongside F4U-1s well into December).

Although production on the 1D began in April, 1944, newly organized fighter squadrons training at MCAS Cherry Point for Project Danny (canceled operation to utilize Marine Corsairs to strike Nazi V-1 sites in Europe) in June were still equipped with F4U-1 and 1A Corsairs. One of the Project Danny squadrons, VMF-511, didn't receive F4U-1Ds until September, 1944 at MCAS Mojave in California, still WELL outside the war zone. VMF-124 and VMF-213 were the first carrier-based F4U-1D squadrons, and their first combat action was in 1945, attacking installations in Japan en route to the Philippines. If it is assumed that the first F4U-1Ds to see combat were those that were carrier-based (not illogical) this means the 1D didn't appear in the war zone until January 1945 at the earliest.

The F4U-4 scored its first aerial victory in June, 1945.
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 01:45:08 PM »
believe me i know how tough it is and i thank you for your help  :salute

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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2010, 01:49:34 PM »
so jan 45 for the 1D and sep. '43 for the 1A ..... sounds good to me m8  :aok

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2010, 03:18:38 PM »
Not sure if you're looking for delivery date or first combat use. 

According to Dean the USAAF received the first P-39D model Airacobras in April of 1941 (Bell did deliver 20 P-39C's in March to the 31st Pursuit Group).

First combat use of the P-39 appears to be in September of 1941 by the RAF and was probably P-39D-1 or P-39D-2 models (likely 601 Squadron). 
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Re: Correct me if im wrong if you have the info.
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 03:49:59 PM »
Spitfire dates are wrong, for either delivery or first combat.

Spitfire Mk IX should be 7-42 for example.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 04:37:39 PM »
It then comes to whether they (the I-16's)were used in the Russio Finish war or not (I have no proper record of this conflict)

I-16 was indeed widely used in the Winter War but the types used were mostly earlier than the ones we have in the game.
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