Better video card, getting less frame rates

[USRanger]

Yesterday I went from a Nvidia 7600GT(256mb) to an ATI HD 4850(1 gig) and changed my power supply from a 450 watt to an 850 watt.  With my old card I was running hi-res, all detail sliders on full, all advanced options on except self shadows.  I was maxing out at my 75 fps refresh rate.  With my new card, I'm only getting around 55fps with the same settings.  Kinda bummed, as I figured I'd be able to run shadows and/or at least get the same fps as my old card.  This is my first ATI card and I don't like it already.  I'm used to the Nvidia setup with adjusting colors & such.  With this ATI card, my screen colors seem blah and I'm having the lesser frame rate issue.  Any clue what it could be?  I can supply more info as needed.  Any recommendations for drivers for this new card?  I've changed out cards a few times, but they've always been Nvidia, so it's a little different with the ATI set up.

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System Information
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Time of this report: 1/17/2010, 20:00:01
       Machine name: HALLE
   Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: HP Pavilion 061
       System Model: RF243AA-ABA m7640n
               BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
          Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+,  MMX,  3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.6GHz
             Memory: 3582MB RAM
          Page File: 475MB used, 6524MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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        Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4850
     Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
        Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9442)
         DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9442&SUBSYS_24701682&REV_00
   Display Memory: 1024.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
          Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
      Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7028 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 11/24/2009 22:26:52, 300032 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 11/24/2009 22:50:16, 4463104 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D702-11CF-466E-7A04A1C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x1002
        Device ID: 0x9442
        SubSys ID: 0x24701682
      Revision ID: 0x0000
      Revision ID: 0x0000
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
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         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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            Description: SB Audigy 4 [AC00]
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0008&SUBSYS_10211102&REV_00
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.1161 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 6/18/2005 00:53:28, 438784 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Creative
         HW Accel Level: Standard
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 4000, 192000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 64, 62
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 64, 62
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
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            Description: SB Audigy 4 [AC00]
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 5.12.0001.1161 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 6/18/2005 00:53:28, 438784 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
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[Spikes]

Huh...very weird. Make sure the nvidia drivers are removed and you've got the correct ATI drivers installed...don't think your system could possibly be bottlenecking it...

Nvm stupid links dont work...Do you have the CCC installed?

[MrRiplEy[H]]

You took the 1Gig version despite numerous warnings it would be slower..

Also, did you do a full reinstall or at least use driver cleaner to get rid of all traces of nvidia drivers before installing the Ati?

[USRanger]

I used Driver Cleaner Pro to remove all the Nvidia drivers.  I didn't know of any "numerous warnings" because it was a spontaneous buy.  I had to pick up a new power supply, had tax return money, so I picked up a vid card also, as my 7600 is old by today's standards.  Any ATI users have recommendations for drivers for this card?  I'm a pure Nvidia guy, so I don't know squat about ATI drivers.

Do you have the CCC installed?

Yep, came with the drivers.

[TequilaChaser]

CCC installed

Yep, came with the drivers.

CCC will kill some of your frame rate..... all you need is your display driver installed......

Aces high will automatically take control of any AA you might want to use......

also, just for a test...... bump your screen resolution up to 1280 x 1024 if you can........ I know the card will support it ( I don't know what type monitor you got ) but sometimes you will actually see an improvement with 1280 x1024  over 1024 x 768

also, your page file used is a bit high.. you want it down around 200 or lil over.. with Windows XP..... you prob got about 28 to 35 processes running.....

try lowering your processes down to around 22 to 17.......

hope this helps

edit:  the most current display driver on the AMD/ATI website for windows XP 32 bit should be good for it....

also, not sure about your PC/MB but sometimes in the BIOS ( MB manufacturer dependent ) you may have to up the allowed ams /watts for the PCI-E slot you are using... the MB could possibly not be sending/allowing enough power to the PCI-E slot / videocard .....<----this is an extreme long shot but is possible...
2nd edit:  this longshot prob not available on the HP/Compaq  PC  MB's........

after you've fixed all the above........go into the Aces High folder and delete the video8.cfg file........  and delete all your cache

let it rebuild itself for the new installed video card.......  also if using hires texture pkg. set to 1024 textures and install(reinstall ) the most current hires texture pkg

good luck   hope this helps

[Spikes]

^Was trying to get to that, if he has 64 bit, stop CCC from msconfig...

[USRanger]

CCC will kill some of your frame rate..... all you need is your display driver installed......

Aces high will automatically take control of any AA you might want to use......

also, just for a test...... bump your screen resolution up to 1280 x 1024 if you can........ I know the card will support it ( I don't know what type monitor you got ) but sometimes you will actually see an improvement with 1280 x1024  over 1024 x 768

also, your page file used is a bit high.. you want it down around 200 or lil over.. with Windows XP..... you prob got about 28 to 35 processes running.....

try lowering your processes down to around 22 to 17.......

hope this helps

It's 32-bit.  I don't remember it asking if I just wanted the display drivers & not the CCC (both when using the CD drivers & when I downloaded drivers off the ATI site).  I guess I'll remove it all & try again.  Processes-wise, I'm not sure what else I can shut off.  I already use FS-Autostart to shut down a bunch.  It's just so weird that an old card like mine did better than this new mega-card.  Is a video card returnable(BestBuy)?  If so, I'm going back to Nvidia.  I'll also try bumping my resolution up also to see what happens first.

[TequilaChaser]

Ranger,   the 3850's, 4850's, 5850's......... are all a bit lower end verses the 3870, 4870, 5870  ( well 5850 is new engine is lot better, ask Kazaa )

also... it is true. most 512 meg video cards will outperform their 1 gig twins.....

Bestbuy might take it back, or swap out.....  but give the above a try 1st........ you might find you like what you got...

I would not use the CD that came with the card at all.....

go to ATI website  and download the Display Driver file only... it allows you to do that.......

[USRanger]

Ranger,   the 3850's, 4850's, 5850's......... are all a bit lower end verses the 3870, 4870, 5870  ( well 5850 is new engine is lot better, ask Kazaa )

also... it is true. most 512 meg video cards will outperform their 1 gig twins.....

Bestbuy might take it back, or swap out.....  but give the above a try 1st........ you might find you like what you got...

Roger, thanks.  This will teach me not to impulse buy a brand I know nothing about.

[TequilaChaser]

Ranger, I went back and edited both my post......... make sure you read em both for other possible help fixes

[USRanger]

Copy.

[Kazaa]

Make sure that your AAMode is set to multi-sample and not something crazy like super-sample, via the CCC ofc.

I love my HD5850, faster and much cheaper (by about £80) than a Nvidia's 285.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Roger, thanks.  This will teach me not to impulse buy a brand I know nothing about.

You should have got a 5770 or something instead of 4850. The fact is that you pay more for less performance at the moment with nvidia. Actually it has almost allways been that way. They come with price premium that's hard to justify.

You didnt say if you used driver cleaner before installing the Ati? It's essential to do install on clean base especially after switching brands.

[zack1234]

I have 4850 with 75fsp self shadow off, tick game settings in CCC for AA etc.
Once it is set exit CCC shut it down.
 1280 x 1024 is recommended for this game I believe, check refresh rate in CCC monitor tab is set to 75.
I have noticed that if game is minimized it's displays 60fsp, if game is shut down completely it displays 75fsp again.
Gamma settings in AH graphics settings usually sorts out colour issue.

I will look how my CCC settings are arranged and post mine when I get in from work.

[USRanger]

Thanks Zack.

You didnt say if you used driver cleaner before installing the Ati? It's essential to do install on clean base especially after switching brands.

Rgr, I used Driver Cleaner before installing the new card.