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Offline SgtPappy

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Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« on: January 23, 2010, 03:53:06 PM »
that is, suppose its exhaust baffles were removed. How much more competitive would it be in the MA? Would it be as tough to fight as a good P-38 pilot?

I tried to find one of the 'Fix the Mossie!!!111!!1!' threads but I couldn't find the exact one which I wanted to find. I distinctly remember Karnak talking about how much extra performance the Ol' Mark VI would gain in climb, speed etc. if those big performance dampers were removed.
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 03:59:30 PM »
I dont know if it was "fixed", seems pretty good to me...you just got to kill the guy within 5 seconds while you have E :D
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 04:34:44 PM »
Oh I know it's been changed for the better, but it's still got exhaust shrouds which apparently kill more performance than I thought. If those were removed, how much more would people fly it and would it be a dangerous foe in:

1) duels?
2) against Axis planes?
3) against Allied planes?
4) in an MA furball?
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 05:22:07 PM »
What would be more potent is a true fighter version of the Mossie

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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 05:31:23 PM »
that is, suppose its exhaust baffles were removed. How much more competitive would it be in the MA? Would it be as tough to fight as a good P-38 pilot?

I tried to find one of the 'Fix the Mossie!!!111!!1!' threads but I couldn't find the exact one which I wanted to find. I distinctly remember Karnak talking about how much extra performance the Ol' Mark VI would gain in climb, speed etc. if those big performance dampers were removed.

That fix would improve the top speed some. All other attributes would presumably remain the same.
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 09:16:48 PM »
The biggest attribute the AH Mossie would gain is speed.  It would gain 5 to 15 mph depending on the altitude.  At 15k, it would (should) break 383mph.  I cant get AH's current Mossie to break 369mph in level flight at 15k regardless of weight (15k is its best alt for speed, 8500ft is 2nd best).

I've fired all the ammo, taken no ord, and burned the tanks to just a few gallons and 369mph is max.  Did you know the AH Mossie will fly the same speed with or without the internal bay loaded w ord?  Oh, and regardless if the ammo bins have been fired empty or not?  I'll go dig up the differences in weight and post them... gimme a few.  brb....    :aok  

EDIT:  A Mossie w 25% fuel, 2/500lb bombs in the bay, and full ammo weighs appx 18,913 lbs.
         A Mossie w 25% fuel, no ord in the bays, and no ammo weighs appx 17,291lbs. 
          Both top out at 15k feet at 369mph.

 
        That is over 1600lbs difference.  I'm not an aeronautical engineer or physicist, but that makes a fella go "hmmmm". 
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 09:28:24 PM »
I posted a "likely" speed curve sometime back, but Telstra ate my homework (ptui! May Sol Trujillo rot on the 9th plane of hell.)

I still have a copy of the original if someone's willing to host it.

Also note we appear to have the FB.VI with Merlin 23s. With the Merlin 25, more power would be available low-down, and the climb rate (certainly the initial climb) would be higher - should be 2,850 ft/min with full fuel and 4x500 lb-ers.

I think Karnak once listed the planes which the Mossie would outstrip at WEP in a straight line with ejector exhausts. IIRC it's quicker than the 38L at a limited altitude band currently, not sure it will ever go vert like the 38 tho.

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... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2010, 12:20:40 AM »
This was my estimate.  "Mosquito" is the one we have in game now, on WEP.  "Mosquito w/ejector stacks" is the undampered one at WEP.



I also recall Scherf saying he thought the climb rate was a bit low as well.
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2010, 12:37:48 AM »
The Mossie in AH surely needs to be Pimped.
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 01:44:06 AM »
Thanks for the information everyone. Makes me feel great to be Canadian, what with almost 1/3rd of Mossie production being here.

350 mph @ SL outdrags the Spitfire VIII. Sounds like a good deal. Scherf states that the Merlin 25 version was better. I never knew the FB.VI had the 25. I thought they were fitted with 21/23's. What's the performance of a Mk.VI with those engines, and how many VI's were fitted with the 25?
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2010, 03:55:10 AM »
The M25 was the standard for FB.VIs - Sharp & Bowyer's book "Mosquito" (teh bible, o yea o yea) states specifically that 418 Squadron, the very first unit to be equipped with the FB.VI, received aricraft with Merlin 25s for improved low-down performance.

There's assorted bits and bobs over at the AH Wiki (first sticky link in this forum) and at Mike Williams' site.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2010, 05:44:27 AM »
mossie ownz yoo! :)
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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2010, 05:52:13 AM »
tha-rillllllll-llaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

What news mate, what news?
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 06:21:35 AM »
helloooooooooo! :)

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Re: Suppose the Mosquito was fixed...
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2010, 06:31:04 AM »
helloooooooooo! :)

i'm currently onboard the Ark Royal to learn how each of the ship's departments are run.  I will even get to see some harriers at some point, i'll definately make an attempt to get some footage + photos of them.  Unfortunately I have little time to play AH for the time being

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