Author Topic: Wich Spit IX do we have (Read 1515 times)

Pongo · « **on:** June 26, 2001, 10:11:00 PM »

I seem to remember it is the one with a merlin 65..
That is strange looking at the rest of the plane set. Surly the Merlin 66 or 70 would be more appropriate for a spit with 50 cals on it flying in mid to late 44... Was there ever any such beasty as a spit IX with merlin 65 and 50 cals?
While I dont think that a better engined Spit IX would have the effect that some think in the arena it would certainly be a nice addition especialy with a bubble canopy...
Put it at the top of the list please....

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2001, 10:57:00 PM »

A significantly faster and significantly better climbing at mid-low alt alt spit would surely have no effect on AH................

funkedup · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2001, 11:14:00 PM »

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/001267.html

funkedup · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2001, 11:19:00 PM »

PS Pongo you are thinking of the Merlin 66/266 in the LF Mk. IX/XVI. I'd like to see this standard version as well as a perked version with 130/150 fuel allowing +25 boost and 2000 hp. Test data for both flavors: http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit9.html

Nashwan · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2001, 04:55:00 AM »

The performance figures for the AH Spit IX match the Spit F IX, the very first model with the Merlin 61. It had a max boost of 15lb, the Merlin 66 used in the Spit LF IX used boost up to 18lb
Climb to 10k in the F IX took 2.7mins to 10k, 5.6mins to 20k. The LF IX took 2.15 to 10k, 4.75 to 20k.
Max speed of the F IX was 326mph at 4000ft, 363mph at 12,000ft, 378mph at 20,000ft. For the LF IX the figures were 354 at 4000ft, 383 at 12,000ft, 397 at 20,000ft.
There were approx 300 F IXs made, all in 42 and early 43. None had the E armament of 50 cals. Approx 4000 LFs were made from early 43 to 45, along with around 1000 HF IXs.

Rather than a SPit IX on 150 octane, what about the Spit VIII. 362mph at sea level, 400 at 12,000ft, 405 at 20,000ft. Rate pf climb at sea level 5,580 ft/min, at 11,000ft 5,100ft/min.

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: Nashwan ]

niklas · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2001, 05:11:00 AM »

Nash, doesn´t the AH spit matches a +18 boost spit in speed, but a +15 boost spit in climb???
niklas

Nashwan · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2001, 06:28:00 AM »

According to the speed tests done by xHaMmeRx in the "perk the La7" thread in the general discussions forum, the AH Spit IX matches the 15lb boost F IX almost exactly. At 2 differnt alts it is 5mph too fast, but xHaMmeRx is using less than full fuel. It is nowhere near the speed of an LF IX

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2001, 10:01:00 AM »

I concur with Nashwan in regards to the AH Spit IX.

In the deck speed tests that I ran only the A6M5b, Spitfire MkVb, Seafire MkIIc, C.202 and maybe the C.205 were slower at sea level. I found the AH Spitfire MkIX to have a top sea level speed of about 320mph. This is consistant with the Spitfire F.MkIX.

However, given the usage numbers of the Spitfire F.MkIX, and the fact that the Mosquito FB.VI Series 2 that I want can out run it, but not out run a Spitfire LF.MkIX or Spitfire MkVIII, I do not want to see a faster Merlin Spit.

Add in the Spitfire F.MkXIVc as a perk plane to get a beter Spit.

Pongo · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2001, 10:45:00 AM »

Well lets have a perk spit xivE!(perk 70) and a bubble spit VIII.. non perk 10
It is a little silly haveing such an early spit ix though.

Nashwan · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2001, 10:56:00 AM »

What is absurd is that even Italy has a fighter that is later than the best Spit in AH.
Why the Spits all have to be the worst models is beyond me.

(Edited to remove contentious remark (I'm a wimp))

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: Nashwan ]

Karnak · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2001, 11:29:00 AM »

Nashwan,

That's rather a bit too strong, don't you think?

The Spitfire F.MkIX is the 2nd most used aircraft in AH. The next in line is far behind it.

The reason that I think we don't have a better Spit is because it would dominate the game.

Lets face it, the Spitfire is just too good. Is it our fault that the Germans, Russians, Americans, Japanese and Italians couldn't build a competitive fighter?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »

Karnak, SpitIX dominates THIS arena because it is "too good" for THIS arena. Factors like rewarding the kills per time, hit percentage or kills per sortie are all in the side of Spit-like planes. Add the fact that it is a really easy to fly plane and the result is the most or second most popular plane in the arena.

Now lets imagine different settings:
- no enemy icons.
- Only K/D and type of target destroyed are rewarded.
- The real need to deffend or attack/disrupt friendly/enemy bomber/jabo formations.

What will we have? Spit as a second line plane and Tempest/P51D/190D9/Ta152/Yak9U/109G10 as arena kings.

sling322 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2001, 01:56:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Karnak:

Lets face it, the Spitfire is just too good. Is it our fault that the Germans, Russians, Americans, Japanese and Italians couldn't build a competitive fighter?

Americans had one and it was whined into perkdom.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

MANDOBLE,

Yes, I know. That's why I put the "

" face at the end of the statement.

Sling322,

Is the F4U-1C a 1942 aircraft? No, I didn't think so.

If the Spitfire contempary of the F4U-1C, The Spitfire MkXIV, were a freebie in AH at the same time as the F4U-1C was a freebie nobody would have been whining about the F4U-1C because all you would have seen is Spitfire MkXIVs. It would have eaten the F4U-1C for lunch.

Because of the short range combat in AH the Spit gets a huge boost to its capabilities.

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

Americans had one and it was dweebed into perkdom.