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Offline Hangtime

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« on: May 04, 2000, 02:18:00 PM »
Hey.. we gotta get the p51B modeled sooner or later... why not use Bud Andersons malcom hooded 'Old Crow".

 

There were two schemes used on his B model, the one above (my favorite) and the one below;

 

Bud flew with the 357th, one hell of an outstanding FG, and they both are due the  unique honor of being represented in Aces High. The 357th put the first allied fighters over Berlin on the 4th of March 1944 (along with one squadron of the 4th Group). In August, the Group escorted a fleet of B-17s to Russia, Italy and back home on one of the shuttle missions. During the airborne landing at Arnhem in September, the 357th destroyed 50 enemy aircraft in two days. The 14th of January 1945 brought what will always be "THE BIG DAY". During a massive air battle in the Berlin area, 357th Group pilots shot down 55 1/2 German fighters. No other fighter group has even come close to this score.

How 'bout it.. the 'b' stang comming to AH is a given.. lets give Bud and the 357th the recognition they deserve.

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2000, 02:33:00 PM »
I'd rather see a more commonly used P51B with a razorback canopy. Oherwise no objections

mx22

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Bud Andersons P51B
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2000, 02:59:00 PM »
You're nuts Alexei.  Most PAF Mustang III's had the bubble.  

Hangtime, that's a Mustang Mk. III not a P-51B.  Remember which country created the specs for the Mustang, then figured out how to put a Merlin engine in it.    

So here's my vote:

   

Mustang Mk. III of S/L Eugeniusz Horbaczewski, OC No. 315 (Polish) Sqn. RAF, June 1944.    

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2000, 03:14:00 PM »
Beautiful work Hang, my models always turn out good, but my painting sucks!  

Did you read Buds book?  Good reading.

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2000, 03:32:00 PM »
YES!  

(please)

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2000, 03:43:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by funked:
You're nuts Alexei.  Most PAF Mustang III's had the bubble.    

Hangtime, that's a Mustang Mk. III not a P-51B.  Remember which country created the specs for the Mustang, then figured out how to put a Merlin engine in it.      

Heh Mike,

You right, somehow didn't think that it can be of historical value for our squadron   So bring it on with Malcom hood and in 315th colors  

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2000, 04:42:00 PM »
Funked! Hey that's a B/C model! Not a Mustang III !!

The RAF equivelant of the B/C model was a Mustang III. True; the Mustang III's were all converted to the Malcom Hood; but many 8th AF B/C models got the hood as well. Including Bud's.  

 

Although I'd sure like to see a Mustang III in Aces High with English or Polish markings, if it did appear, I'd rather it had the modifications described below...

"Numerous RAF Mustang IIIs were diverted to the interception of V-1 "buzz-bombs". Some of them were "souped up" by using a special high-octane fuel and internal engine adjustments in order to increase the intake manifold pressure and made it possible to achieve a speed of 420 mph at 2000 feet. Since the typical V-1 flew at 370 mph, this made the "souped-up" Mustang very useful against these weapons."

Polish Squadrons 306, 309,315 and 316 recieved Mustang III's.  

Rip; I did not build these.. I found the info and phots on Bud Andersons page.

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2000, 05:04:00 PM »
Um.

Compromise?

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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2000, 05:30:00 PM »
LOL Westy!

Ya know after all this, I think I'd still rather see a Mustang I or P-51A.  They lack the altitude performance of the later models, but they were lighter and easier to turn, and they had amazing roll performance.

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2000, 05:54:00 PM »
I'm partial to the p-51B named

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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2000, 06:32:00 PM »
Hi all

Yeah, nice plane that Citabria!!    

Yeah, I'd like to see more RAF planes, like a 2 Sqn Mustang III version... but I am not too fussed... (as long as they model a Tempest in 3(F) Sqn markings!)

'Old Crow' and 'Shangri-La' are both beauties!  Bring one of them on!  

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'Nexx'

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2000, 08:24:00 PM »
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2000, 08:57:00 PM »
Funked, that Mustang III in polish colors is gorgeous.. gets my vote. I'd not be ashamed to fly it... but I'd like to see old Crow #1 modeled to honor Anderson and the 357th.   maybe we can talk HTC into both a Mustang III and a P51B.

And since the hooded P51 b/c & Mustang III's were stronger, lighter and had better all around visbilty; as well as being more agile with better departure characteristics than the more famous P51D... well I'd rather have one of those than a P51A or a D.. And, If I was to go with an Allison Mustang; gimme a Mustang II fer track hunts; not a Mustang I!  

Awsome painting; that...  

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2000, 09:53:00 PM »
 
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And since the hooded P51 b/c & Mustang III's were stronger, lighter and had better all around visbilty


I still cant imagine why a Malcom Hood has better all around visibility than a bubble canopy...Is as if you compare Spitfire IX visibility from the cockpit to that of Typhoon. Typhoon has much better vision that SpitIX.



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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2000, 10:24:00 PM »
It's true, with that fishbowl canopy the pilot could actually see better than he could from a D model.

From the horses mouth...

"After the Mustang III aircraft had been delivered to England, the RAF decided that the hinged cockpit canopy offered too poor a view for European operations. A fairly major modification was made in which the original framed hinged hood was replaced by a bulged Perspex frameless canopy that slid to the rear on rails. This canopy gave the pilot much more room and the huge goldfish bowl afforded a good view almost straight down or directly to the rear. This hood was manufactured and fitted by the British corporation R. Malcolm & Co., and came to be known as the "Malcolm Hood". This hood was fitted to most RAF Mustang IIIs, and many USAAF Eighth and Ninth Air Force P-51B/C fighters received this modification as well."

Further...

"... many pilots regarded the Malcolm-hooded P-51B/C as the best Mustang of the entire series. It was lighter, faster, and had crisper handling than the later bubble-hooded P-51D and actually had a better all-round view. Its primary weakness, however, was in its armament--only four rather than six guns, which often proved prone to jamming. Some of the modifications applied to the P-51D to improve the ammunition feed were later retrofitted into P-51B/Cs, which made their guns less prone to jamming. With modified guns and a Malcolm hood, the P-51B/C was arguably a better fighter than the P-51D, with better visibility, lower weight, and without the structural problems which afflicted the D. Its departure characteristics were also more benign."

The above from Baughers outstanding treatsie on the B/C model Stangs. Link below. Excellent reading, BTW.  
 http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_8.html

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