Yet another Spitfire thread!

[juzz]

Ordinance loads for the Spitfire Mk V are incorrect.

The Spitfire Mk V should be able to carry:
One 250lb or 500lb bomb on a centreline rack.
One 30 or 90 gallon "slipper" type drop tank on centreline.
One 250lb bomb on each wing.

These wing/gun types should be an option for the Mk V:
A - 8x.303 machineguns 350rpg.
B - 2x20mm cannon 120rpg, 4x.303 machineguns 350rpg.
C - 4x20mm cannon 120rpg.

PS: For the Mk IX, there should be an option for "Modification XXX" - the fitting of a beer barrel under each wing.  

[Hangtime]

Gawd.. a spit with 4 cannons...

(*SMACK*)  funked sez "Shaddap Hang!"

OW! (hang rubs head)

[funked]

Juzz:  That sounds right.  I am NOT a Spitfire expert by any means.  I can quote you every loadout for the 190 though.  

And yes we need the beer mod!  Where's Fatty?


Hangtime:  LOL!  Honestly, for air-to-air, the current armament is sufficient.  However for air-to-ground, I can see a benefit from those extra cannons.

[Kieren]

Yes, the SpitV did have a 4-cannon version (as I'm sure we all know). Would the weight be higher, or would it be offset by losing 4x.303's?

[LLv34 Nattulv]

Yepp Sptifrie V with 4 cannons would be nice  
Its main usage was fighter-bomber. Many units still had clipped wing Spit V's at D-day.

A clipped wing version would require a modified fm, so that means a new 3d frame also.    

[Karnak]

And clipped wings dramaticly improve the low alt performance of the Spit.  Especially roll rate.

But its not as pretty,

Sisu

[StSanta]

Eeeek, scary thought. The Spit guns as they are modelled are to be feared by any opponent.

Me, I treat the Spit guns with the same respect I treat the Cannon Hog and the N1K. I've been hit far too many times from 650yds+ with lethal results to do anything but this.

4 cannons would mean I would be even more cautious, since the Spit has an uncanny ability to always turn its nose on you for a HO. Especially when you, after bleeding a Spit low, swoop down for the kill  



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StSanta
II/JG2

[Citabria]

um no.


we have already seen what 4 cannons does to the f4u1d, a plane which is easier to kill than a spitfire.

now imagine an f4u1c with the maneuverability of the spitfire.

yuck

why not model a hurri 2c?
or some other aircraft that has more tradeoffs for firepower

[Pongo]

Every one here seems to imediatly recognize the Air to Air boost that 4 HS would give a spit in this game. Why didnt the British. The first thing that the brits did with the many 4 gun spits they recieved was remove 2 guns. Think of all the bombers they where facing at malta. But off came the guns. Could it be that their experiance with the HS was not exactly like ours?

[funked]

Pongo - Luftwaffe had a similar experience with the R6 gondolas on the Me 109.  

I've read a few stories by Me 109 pilots, and they despised the gondola-equipped aircraft.

In here I see them used for fighter-fighter combat all the time.

Likewise why did many Fw 190A units remove the outer cannon for fighter to fighter combat?

Why did many P-51D's fly with only 4 MG's instead of 6?




[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-06-2000).]

[Vermillion]

My guess guys, is that in real life, guns were even more lethal than what we see with our current AH guns.

So you really didn't NEED to have all those guns to be successful, so why handicap your aircraft if you didn't need it.

Just my opinon

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Carpe Jugulum
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[StSanta]

funked:

I am a dedicated 109G10 pilot. I love my ugly ungainly 109G10.

I hate with passion gondolas and never take them, unless I am intercepting a buff, and even then I swear as I put them on.

A lot of pilots in JG2 fly the 109. The greatest of them (IMHO) is Hristos. I belive he shares my sentinemnts with regards to gondolas, as do most other JG2 109 pilots (eek, now I am speaking for you guys, sorry).

I was wondering; what country are those who fly with gondolas from? If they're enemies, you don't know what they're flying so I assume they're your countrymen.

Gondolas remove survivability from the 109 and really do not increase lethality (due to the cost in maneuvrerability and climb) in dogfights, especially 1v1's.

Not saying you are wrong, I am just surprised that you've met many 109 pilots who use gondolas. It's the opposite to my personal experience.



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StSanta
II/JG2

[Kieren]

funked-

Here's my way of thinking about it... imagine you are in a Cessna 152 and all of a sudden you hear "tunk-tunk-tunk". You look back to see quarter-sized holes in the fuselage. "tunk-tunk-tunk" again and now pieces of your elevator fly off. You would be immediately seized by a desire to land as soon as possible to change your soiled underoos... how many guns would be needed to make that happen?  

The one thing we can never understand is the uneasy feeling of the plane coming apart all around us...  

[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 05-06-2000).]

[juzz]

Weight. Thats why the Malta Spitfires with the C wing usually lost two cannon right away.

Spitfire Mk VC loaded weights.

A wing(8x.303): 6564lbs.
B wing(2x20mm,4x.303): 6722lbs.
C wing(4x20mm): 6954lbs.

A tropicalised Mk VC(C wing) weights about 7300lbs. It would be slower than the C.202.  

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 05-07-2000).]

[B-Town]

Well,
    The load out for the typhoon is wrong too. It should be able to carry 2 droptanks under each wing. The funny thing is that the darn things where so hard to get of the aircraft when empty. My old grandad sent one of his flight back to one of the main bases with two "CLEAN" and empty droptanks. When he got there they filled both of them with beer and flew back. Half way over the english channel one of the basterds fell off! then just before landed so did another. So you know what they did? Send the young lad all the way back to get some more  
TRUE STORY!